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CT who should have been in the ending of rotj

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by deadly jp, Jul 27, 2014.

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mace and aui gon as force ghost in rotj

Poll closed Aug 16, 2014.
  1. yes

    3 vote(s)
    8.8%
  2. no

    33 vote(s)
    97.1%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. deadly jp

    deadly jp Jedi Knight star 1

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    It would of been better if geogre lucas added qui gon jinn and mace windu as force ghost do you agree?
     
  2. Visitant

    Visitant Jedi Knight star 1

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    I don't think Mace Windu actually ever learned to be a Force ghost. (Well, technically neither did Anakin, I guess...)

    As for whether I think one or both should have been included...Nah. I like it the way it is (or was, I guess I should say). Besides it makes the most sense for just Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin to be there, because they were the only Jedi Luke knew.
     
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  3. Seagoat

    Seagoat Former Manager star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I could make so many Shrek Is Love Shrek Is Life jokes from that "geogre" typo but nahh

    Anyway, I don't really think so. Qui-Gon had no direct influence on Luke's training, and Mace never even had the chance to learn how to become a Force Ghost. The only reason Anakin was able to learn is because Yoda and Obi-Wan intervened just after his death, before he could move on to the netherworld of the Force
     
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  4. deadly jp

    deadly jp Jedi Knight star 1

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    But qui gon jinn was the one that helped yoda retain his identify after death, which yoda teaches obi wan and anakin who than eventually teaches luke, thats why qui gon jinn should appear in ROTJ. Luke shouldnatleast know the person who created the ability to appear as a force ghost after death.
     
  5. sharkymcshark

    sharkymcshark Jedi Knight star 3

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    Stop giving George Lucas ideas for further needless changes.

    That is all.
     
  6. Yanksfan

    Yanksfan Force Ghost star 5

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    Ha ha, I'm sorry, but that's absurd. Who cares? And how large of a "Force ghost party" do you want to make this?

    Obi wan: "Oh, Luke, before you go back and hang with your friends, there are a couple of dead Jedi I would like you to meet…Mace, Qui-gon, this is Luke--Anakin's son! Luke, this is Mace." *drops to a whisper* "You father killed him, but let's not bring that up right now.There's still some tension there." *more cheerfully* And this is Qui-gon! He was the one who developed the ability for Force users to retain their identity after they die…."

    Luke: "Um...cool?"

    Yeah, that whole exchange should fit seamlessly in the next Special Edition.
     
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  7. deadly jp

    deadly jp Jedi Knight star 1

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  8. MOC Vober Dand

    MOC Vober Dand Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Please, let's just leave well enough alone! Luke never knew either of these people. He's having a hard enough time working out who the guy younger than him is as it is!
     
  9. lovelikewinter

    lovelikewinter Jedi Knight star 4

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    Agreed

    Qui-Gon and Mace mean nothing to Luke. Only his father, Obi-Wan and Yoda have any significance to him.

    This gets on my nerves more than it should. You should not make bridges between the trilogies by shoving PT crap into the OT. The Dug was annoying, Hayden was half-assed at best, and Naboo has no relevance to the OT heroes. Why is it only ROTJ that gets this done to it?
     
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  10. AndyLGR

    AndyLGR Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    No need to add Mace or Qui-Gon at all as they had no direct influence on Luke. One of my bug bears with the special editions and the others subsequent is the shoe horning in of scenes and changes to make the OT fit better with the PT.
     
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  11. solo77

    solo77 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    It's bad enough now that Hayden shows up and Luke is all like "who the #### is that guy"
     
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  12. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Just because multiple votes are allowed in a yes/no poll, I voted for both.
     
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  13. Seagoat

    Seagoat Former Manager star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I did the same lel
     
  14. sarlaccsaurs-rex

    sarlaccsaurs-rex Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I'm a prequel defender and like briding the trilogys. But this is idea is just silly. Hayden ghost was bad enough Naboo is fine though. On a side note just because shaw was older than hayden doesn't mean that hayden and old man shaw arent the same people. Idk what Lucas was thinking there...
     
  15. Seagoat

    Seagoat Former Manager star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    He was thinking that Anakin, in the eyes of the Force, reverted to who he was when he died as Anakin and became Vader
    What people seem to miss is that Force Ghosts are not at all physical. They're just a manifestation of one's consciousness retained after death, and they take on the appearance of how they were when they died
    Anakin died *in the eyes of the Force* when he became Vader. When Vader died *in the eyes of the Force* and Anakin came back, that was essentially 23 years of ageing that he did not experience, again *in the eyes of the Force*
     
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  16. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    Keep it the way it is.
     
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  17. Drewdude91

    Drewdude91 Jedi Knight star 3

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    Yoda didn't think Anakin. I always thought that since Anakin was born of the force, when he died, he would truly be one with the force, meaning he can do without training what took Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, and Yoda years. After all, it'd been what? 3 hours since he died? No way would he be able to learn that fast. It's just a natural part of the death of the Chosen One.
     
  18. Seagoat

    Seagoat Former Manager star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It had been all of 10 seconds after Obi-Wan died when he was able to telepathically tell Luke to run
     
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  19. Drewdude91

    Drewdude91 Jedi Knight star 3

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    I'm referring to Anakin's death, not Obi-Wan's. And if we're going to have a billion force ghosts, I'd rather have them watch the Vader vs Luke fight on the Death Star. After all, that is what it all comes down to. Obviously it'd still be really stupid, but better than having those ghosts all at the celebration.
     
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  20. Bring_My_Shuttle

    Bring_My_Shuttle Jedi Master star 1

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    Sure, why not? At this point it really doesn't matter. I'll stick with my laserdisc rips.
     
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  21. sharkymcshark

    sharkymcshark Jedi Knight star 3

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    Stock footage of Hayden Christiansen shows the last time he was on the light side.

    You know, after he slaughtered that entire tribe of Tusken Raiders, and cut the head off a disarmed (pun) man.
     
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  22. lovelikewinter

    lovelikewinter Jedi Knight star 4

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    I wouldn't have been half as offended if they had tried to make Hayden look like he was 45ish instead of just pasting his head over Shaw's using whatever footage they had available right there.
     
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  23. MOC Vober Dand

    MOC Vober Dand Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The appropriateness or otherwise of replacing Shaw with Christensen has been discussed often and at length, so let's leave it be in this thread. The OP is asking about the addition of other characters, so let's stick with that.
     
  24. thejeditraitor

    thejeditraitor Chosen One star 6

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    no. luke never knew them and they couldn't become force ghosts. qui-gon could speak to yoda for a short time but could not take form.
     
  25. MOC Vober Dand

    MOC Vober Dand Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I'm sure Quigon could, but I agree he had little significance in Luke's life and so shouldn't have appeared. Mace Windu is so awesome that he can do anything he wants, but same applies to him regarding Luke.