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CT who should have been in the ending of rotj

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by deadly jp, Jul 27, 2014.

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mace and aui gon as force ghost in rotj

Poll closed Aug 16, 2014.
  1. yes

    3 vote(s)
    8.8%
  2. no

    33 vote(s)
    97.1%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Red Bantha

    Red Bantha Jedi Youngling

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    I don't think it would be appropriate to have Qui-Gon or Windu as a Force Ghost at the end because Luke never knew them, he'd be wondering "Who the heck are these guys?". The only Jedi that appear are the ones Luke came into contact with and it makes sense for it to be that way.
     
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  2. Among the Clouds

    Among the Clouds Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    In TCW, Qui-Gon's spirit tells Yoda he never finished learning how to fully retain his identity thru the Force. He can communicate with Yoda, but not show himself. So it wouldn't make sense for him to appear in ROTJ. As for Mace, he never learned how to retain his identity in any way, so he shouldn't be there either.
     
  3. MOC Vober Dand

    MOC Vober Dand Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That's interesting. Are you referring to TCW movie or the series?
     
  4. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Series. Season 6. The movie doesn't have Qui-Gon.
     
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  5. MOC Vober Dand

    MOC Vober Dand Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Thanks.
     
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  6. Crystalia

    Crystalia Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    [​IMG]

    couldn't resist :p
     
  7. TX-20

    TX-20 Force Ghost star 4

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    Master Plo Koon needs to be there.

    Make it happen Bob Iger!
     
  8. thejeditraitor

    thejeditraitor Chosen One star 6

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    nope.
     
  9. Seagoat

    Seagoat Former Manager star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That doesn't necessarily mean there's no way Qui-Gon could ever manifest himself to be seen. Whether or not Lucasfilm is saying they want just one level of canon now, the canon of the saga itself certainly takes higher priority than a TV show
     
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  10. MOC Vober Dand

    MOC Vober Dand Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    [face_laugh] Nope? Does that refer to the part that was clarified several posts ago, the joke or the part that I agreed with you about. Or just the whole post?
     
  11. deadly jp

    deadly jp Jedi Knight star 1

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    [​IMG]

    One of the episodes in TCW season 3 the son, father and the daughter episodes shows obi wan talking to qui gon jinn and he actually sees him but then in season 6 qui gon he didnt complete his training im confused lol?
    Also I found this pic so eventually qui gon jinn must of completed his training to retain his identify.
     
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  12. Darth_Nub

    Darth_Nub Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That's fan art.

    Mod action: Tweaking thread title. Ugh.
     
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  13. deadly jp

    deadly jp Jedi Knight star 1

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    I found it on the official starwars wiki and im trying to show why quigon jinn should be in ROTJ.
     
  14. solo77

    solo77 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Something is wrong with the poll's maths, that does not equal 100%


    yes 3 vote(s) 14.3%
    no 20 vote(s) 95.2%
     
  15. ObiAlKenobi

    ObiAlKenobi Jedi Knight star 3

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    Lucas had it right in 1983. Just the way it was.

    If you add in more characters, Luke would probably think "HEY WHO ARE ALL THOSE OTHER GUYS? Is the other guy with the beard, Dad? Or that guy? Hmmm, not the black guy I'm guessing. Not the alien guy with tentacles...."
     
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  16. thejeditraitor

    thejeditraitor Chosen One star 6

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    qui gon could not become a spirit according to gl (i see now it was covered).. and the the joke... but if you agree with me about something you're probably right about that. ha ha!
     
  17. Among the Clouds

    Among the Clouds Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Are the Saga and TCW not held in the same regard (canonically speaking) by Lucasfilm/Disney? If they are, then the Saga canon is equal with TCW canon. Even if it wasn't, there is nothing in the Saga that indicates Qui-Gon could become a Force ghost. So it's a moot point.


    Shmi also appeared to Anakin on Mortis. Does that mean she is a Force ghost? An adult version of Ahsoka showed itself to Ahsoka there, too.


    Does Wookieepedia work the same way that Wikipedia does, in that anyone can sign up and edit Wiki pages? If so, then that could explain the fan art.
     
  18. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The show is canon. It and "Rebels" is on the same level as the nine films and the upcoming spin offs. Not to mention that this comes also from Lucas himself.

    "We never see the ghost of Qui-Gon; he's not that accomplished. He's able to retain his personality, but he's not able to become a corporeal ghost."

    --George Lucas, page 40 of the Making Of Revenge Of The Sith.


    And since it was something that was only taught to a few Jedi, that's why Mace and Plo weren't included in 2004 or 2011.
     
  19. Seagoat

    Seagoat Former Manager star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I said basically subconsciously or not, they're gonna hold the films in a higher regard, even if they do say the canon has one level. I never said that they aren't canon

    Anyway, the fact that George says Qui-Gon can't doesn't mean it'll always be that way. We're talking about a man who's changed his mind about things more times than we can count
     
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  20. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    And the films say Qui-gon can't do it.

    But he's no longer in charge and odds are that he won't be doing anymore changes and Kennedy and Iger won't either.
     
  21. Seagoat

    Seagoat Former Manager star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Really now? The films never directly say Qui-Gon can't show. They just say he's learned the secret to immortality

    Darth_Nub THANK YOU. No offense to the poster but omg that's a huge pet peeve of mine lol
     
  22. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    And the cartoon explains why he's not in ROTJ.
     
  23. MOC Vober Dand

    MOC Vober Dand Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    But that's not the same as the films explaining it.
     
  24. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Chosen One star 7

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    I think the original ending is just fine.
     
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  25. deadly jp

    deadly jp Jedi Knight star 1

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    Im just saying if qui gon jinn was so obsessed with the living force he must of trained alot for him to retain his identity and help others too.