Who WAS the most powerful Jedi/Sith II: Film and Novel Only

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  1. The_Bubonic_Force Jedi Knight

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    *Characters only featured in comic books, video games or TV shows cannot be used.*

    *All characters used in this topic are as we see them in either the films or in the novels, this means you can't use feats from any comic book, video game, TV show or animation.*

    *All characters must have been featured in one of the films or in one of the novels, if they were only mentioned, than they do not count as we have no proof other than claims to back up statements.*

    POWER SCALING SYSTEM BELOW!

    THE FORCE:

    Knowledge:

    Power:

    Mastery:

    Potential:

    LIGHTSABER COMBAT:

    Knowledge:

    Skill:

    Potential:

    MISCELLANEOUS:

    Potency Against Non-Force Users:
  2. EmeraldBlade Jedi Knight

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    THE FORCE:

    Knowledge: Sidious

    Power: Sidious

    Mastery: Sidious

    Potential: Anakin

    LIGHTSABER COMBAT:

    Knowledge: Sidious after ROTS, if not before

    Skill: Sidious

    Potential: Possibly Anakin because of his connection to the Force, but it is really up in the air. Edit: Scratch that. Anakin was an idiot. I will therefore make no prediction for this.

    MISCELLANEOUS:

    Potency Against Non-Force Users: Kenobi.

  3. EmeraldBlade Jedi Knight

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    Oh NOES! I forgot about Luke!

    Still though, because I am focusing on the movies I will stick with my picks.

    And excuse the double post.

    Too hot today.

  4. MasterAnakin04 Force Ghost

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    THE FORCE:

    Knowledge: Master Yoda

    Power: Sidious

    Mastery: Master Yoda

    Potential: Obi-Wan

    LIGHTSABER COMBAT:

    Knowledge: Master Yoda

    Skill: Obi-Wan

    Potential: Anakin

    MISCELLANEOUS:

    Potency Against Non-Force Users: Obi-Wan
  5. stranger-danger Jedi Knight

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    After much consideration...



    THE FORCE:

    Knowledge: Darth Plagueis

    Only one who knew how to create life with the Force.

    Power: Darth Sidious

    "UNLIMITED POWER!"

    Mastery: Yoda

    Eight hundreds years of practice.

    Potential: Anakin

    Chosen One.

    LIGHTSABER COMBAT:

    Knowledge: Yoda

    See Mastery.

    Skill: Darth Maul

    Perhaps he compensated for a lack of Force potential by emphasising sabre techniques.

    Potential: Mace Windu

    White Men Can't Lightsabre Duel

    MISCELLANEOUS:

    Potency Against Non-Force Users: Obi-wan Kenobi

    Clever use of environment (battle with droids before fighting Grievous in ROTS, stealthily turning down shields on Death Star in ANH etc.).



    What about you, The_Bubonic_Force?
  6. stranger-danger Jedi Knight

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    Lets have another quiz. Who had the best answers to this thread's question?
  7. Jabba_The_Hutt_123 Force Ghost

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    THE FORCE:

    Knowledge:
    Darth Plagueis-create life etc (palpatine-studied under plagueis, mastered the dark side if plagueis doesn't count)

    Power:
    Palpatine-haven't seen the level of Plageuis' power yet, simply knowledge etc

    Mastery:
    Plagueis-create life etc (yoda-900 years, if plagueis doesn't count)

    Potential:
    Anakin-chosen one

    LIGHTSABER COMBAT:

    Knowledge:
    Mace Windu-perfected a sabre form

    Skill:
    Mace Windu-defeated palpatine

    Potential:
    Anakin-was able to defeat dooku and many other masters at a young age

    MISCELLANEOUS:

    Potency Against Non-Force Users:
    Obi Wan
  8. SithKhaos Jedi Knight

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    This is easy

    THE FORCE:

    Knowledge:Yoda

    Power:Sidious/Yoda/Anakin

    Mastery:Yoda/Sidious

    Potential:Anakin

    LIGHTSABER COMBAT:

    Knowledge:Sidious

    Skill:Anakin

    Potential:Anakin

    MISCELLANEOUS:

    Potency Against Non-Force Users: ?
  9. stranger-danger Jedi Knight

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    It its so easy, then why no response for the last one?
  10. SithKhaos Jedi Knight

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    because a jedi potent against force users should be even more potent against non force users...
  11. Jabba_The_Hutt_123 Force Ghost

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    Yes, so who's the best?
    And out of curiosity why have people said sidious over yoda and vice versa?
  12. SithKhaos Jedi Knight

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    Since I assume you are asking who is the most powerful I will answer and give a quote:

    Anakin

    "Anakin has been established as the most powerful jedi who ever lived"-Nic gillard referring to Ep. 3


    As for the Sidious/Yoda question, I believe Yoda has a greater Knowledge of the force because he has lived far beyond Anakin and Sidious' lives. Sidious on the other hand has mastered and perfected his abilities in the dark side of the force to a point where no one can best him (mastery). Anakin still has more to learn but at such a young age has the ultimate power and is still growing more powerful.

    "Anakin is aruably the most powerful jedi ever,and he is still getting stronger"-Mace Windu
  13. Jabba_The_Hutt_123 Force Ghost

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    But if Anakin is so powerful, why does yoda say obi wan isnt strong enough to face palpatine, theres the advantage of knowing and understanding anakin etc but still, that implies yoda and palpatine are above anakin and obi
  14. SithKhaos Jedi Knight

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    I would say yes they are above him, but just like I said, in knowledge and mastery. However in raw force power and abilities, no way. The guy was concieved of midi chlorians.
  15. Gary_Buchenara Jedi Master

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    Don't get too carried away with what these guys say in docos etc. Lucas himself is fond of the off-the-cuff remark, let alone people like Gillard and Rick McCallum.

    Most knowledgeable in the Force: Qui Gon
    Most powerful with the Force: Yoda / Sidious
    Potential: Anakin
    Best with a sabre: Mace
    Against non-Force users: Sidious would probably be the most ruthless.


  16. EmeraldBlade Jedi Knight

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    Sidious was able to use the Darkside to predict the future within reasonable accuracy, whereas Yoda was resigned to the Force being "always in motion".

    As for knowledge, Sidious had the whole Galaxy at his fingertips after ROTS. He could learn all there was to learn.
  17. EmeraldBlade Jedi Knight

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    That is certainly an original opinion.

    Would you elaborate? I don't debate people to the death, so you would not have to reason too water-tightly.

  18. Game3525 Force Ghost

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    The Force

    Knowledge-Qui-Gon Jinn(He was able to do something Sidious and Yoda were not able to do)

    Power

    Mastery-Yoda and Sidious

    Raw power-Anakin and Luke Skywalker

    Potential-Anakin, Luke, and Leia Skywalker

    Lightsaber combat

    Knowledge-Yoda and Sidious, and Cin Drallig is not to far behind in terms of knowledge.

    Skill-Anakin Skywalker and Mace Windu

    Potential-Luke Skywalker

    Miscellaneous

    Potency against Non-Force users-Obi-Wan Kenobi


  19. Game3525 Force Ghost

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    It isn't always about power though, it is better to face someone you know inside and out then someone you don't.
  20. Sithspit87 Jedi Knight

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    Mace Windu is the Force, so he is the most powerful being in the universe. Mace Windu is not dead in the Star Wars Universe. He just got his hand chopped off then and thrown out of an extremely high window. They never actually show a dead Mace. Any one who as seen the original Clone Wars mini series knows he is still alive. He probably just jumped on an air speeder and went in to hiding. If you thought Mace was dead you are extremely ignorant. Mace would be disappointed in you he would say "HAVEN'T YOU SEEN ANY OF MY MOVIES!"
  21. xx_Anakin_xx Force Ghost

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    Anakin
    Sidious
    Vader
    Yoda
    Mace

    In the wash out breakdown. Kind of odd that Yoda couldn't take out Vader when you think about it. But since he couldn't, he gets knocked down a peg. And if he could and didn't, same thing.
  22. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    How do you know he couldn't?
  23. starkiller592 Jedi Padawan

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    power: sidious

    skill:eek:bi wan

    knowledge:yoda

    potential:anakin

  24. xx_Anakin_xx Force Ghost

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  25. StarWarrior77 Jedi Knight

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    THE FORCE:

    Knowledge: Yoda

    Power: Darth Sidious

    Mastery: Mace Windu

    Potential: Anakin Skywalker

    LIGHTSABER COMBAT:

    Knowledge: Count Dooku

    Skill: Mace Windu

    Potential: Darth Maul

    MISCELLANEOUS:

    Potency Against Non-Force Users: Obi-Wan Kenobi
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