Who WAS the most powerful Jedi/Sith II: Film and Novel Only

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  1. Darth_Davi Jedi Master

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    Should Plagueis count? He is only mentioned, never seen, never part of anything more than Sidious's seduction story for Anakin. It is not even proved in the films that Plagueis ever really existed, Plagueis could have been nothing but a figment of Palpy's imagination. There is nothing to warrant the assumption that what Sidious tells Anakin about Plagueis is real, or that it is anything but pure fantasy, designed to reel Anakin in, hook, line and sinker (although sucker may be more appropriate).
  2. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    Luckily we have the OS to tell us that Plagueis was indeed real and Palpatine's master ( and of course we know in any event that Palpatine was trained by someone ).
  3. Darth_Davi Jedi Master

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    Ah, but the title of the thread specifically states "Film and Novel Only". The original script is not the film, nor it is even the script they made the movie from, otherwise it would be the final script. So, I stand by my post. Given the parameters of the thread, it cannot be proved Plagueis is anything more than figment of Palpatine's imagination, so he shouldn't be listed.
  4. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    I use OS to stand for "official site", meaning starwars.com.
  5. Darth_Davi Jedi Master

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    Well, you didn't specify, lol...but, that isn't the films and novels only either :p
  6. CloneUncleOwen Force Ghost

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    Because Sidious rocks. He goes out to Pink Floyd-style lightshows while frumpy old Yoda stays
    home and does crossword puzzles. He's a member of the Men's Hair Club, while Yoda trys to pull
    off that lousy comb-over. Can you even imagine Yoda telling a dirty joke. I bet his face
    would crack and fall off. Sidious would have you rolling on the floor. And who would look better
    in a Ferrari, huh? Huh?:cool: Or how about a conga line....?[face_dancing]

    Sidious rocks while Yoda darns socks... so there!8-}
  7. obi-rob-kenobi4 Force Ghost

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    THE FORCE: Palpatine

    Knowledge: Yoda/Qui-gon

    Power: Palpatine

    Mastery: Palpatine

    Potential: Anakin

    LIGHTSABER COMBAT: Anakin

    Knowledge: Dooku

    Skill: Anakin

    Potential: Anakin

    MISCELLANEOUS:

    Potency Against Non-Force Users:
  8. LaugeSkywalker Jedi Padawan

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    THE FORCE:

    Knowledge:Master Yoda

    Power:

    Mastery:Master Yoda

    Potential:Jedi-knight Anakin Skywalker

    LIGHTSABER COMBAT:

    Knowledge:Mace Windu

    Skill:Darth Maul

    Potential:Jedi-knight Anakin Skywalker

    MISCELLANEOUS:

    Potency Against Non-Force Users:[/quote]Master Obi-Wan Kenobi
  9. DRush76 Force Ghost

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  10. DarkFather13 Jedi Knight

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    Interesting, I feel Obi-Wan is the consumate Jedi in terms of calculation....look at how he defeats Greivous....
    THE FORCE:

    Knowledge: Darkside:Darth Sidious; LightSide:Yoda

    Power: DS: Sidious, LS: Yoda

    Mastery: DS: Sidious, LS: Yoda

    Potential: DS: Anakin, LS: Leia

    LIGHTSABER COMBAT:

    Knowledge: DS: Darth Maul, LS: Mace Windu

    Skill: DS: Count Dooku, LS: Mace Windu

    Potential: DS: Anakin, LS: Anakin

    MISCELLANEOUS:

    Potency Against Non-Force Users: Darth Sidious, he corrupted thousands of senators into giving him the keys to the Republic
  11. realndn Jedi Padawan

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    THE FORCE

    Knowledge: Yoda. 900 years worth of knowledge.

    Power: Darth Sidious

    Mastery: Darth Sidious

    Potential: Anakin Skywalker

    LIGHTSABER COMBAT

    Knowledge: Mace Windu. The only one to truly master Vapaad.

    Skill: Mace Windu

    Potential: Anakin Skywalker

    MISCELLANEOUS

    Potency Against Non-Force Users: Darth Sidious. Controlled the entire galaxy.
  12. StampidHD280pro Force Ghost

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    Anakin. He turned back from the dark side.
  13. Duragizer Jedi Grand Master

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    The most powerful Jedi/Sith is subjective.

  14. IAMJOEKING Jedi Youngling

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    The best skill with a lightsaber is easily Darth Maul.
  15. rumsmuggler Chosen One

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    If that was true he would have survived more than one film. He was good, but not that good.

    Most powerful Force user overall in the six films: Yoda/Mace/Palps/Ana-Vader
    Most potential: Anakin, Luke, Leia
    Most potent against non force users is silly since most of them can pwn a regular person without breaking a sweat.
  16. airmbul Jedi Padawan

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    Darth Plagueiss was more powerful that Darth Sidious had to kill him in his sleep.
  17. Slowburn Jedi Youngling

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    THE FORCE:
    Knowledge: Yoda

    Power: Darth Sidious

    Mastery: Yoda

    Potential: Anakin Skywalker

    LIGHTSABER COMBAT:
    Knowledge: Ki-Adi Mundi

    Skill: Obi-Wan Kenobi

    Potential: Anakin Skywalker

    MISCELLANEOUS:
    Potency Against Non-Force Users: Obi-Wan Kenobi
  18. JEDI-RISING Force Ghost

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    I don't think i can rank Anakin as the best with a lightsaber. In Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader he laments losing to Obi-Wan, and Sidious tells him how badly he would have fared against Yoda instead.
  19. Froggy22651 Jedi Knight

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    THE FORCE:

    Knowledge: Yoda

    Power: Darth Sidious

    Mastery: Darth Sidious

    Potential: Luke Skywalker

    LIGHTSABER COMBAT:

    Knowledge: Obi-Wan Kenobi

    Skill: Darth Vader

    Potential: Kyle Katarn (Hey, he was in novels!)

    MISCELLANEOUS:

    Potency Against Non-Force Users: You're joking, right?
  20. Mace-Wan_Winobi Jedi Grand Master

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    THE FORCE:

    Knowledge: Yoda, Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, Sidious

    Power: Yoda, Sidious

    Mastery: Qui-Gon, Yoda, Obi-Wan, Sidious

    Potential: Anakin

    LIGHTSABER COMBAT:

    Knowledge: Yoda, Sidious, Mace, Dooku, Obi-Wan

    Skill: Same as saber knowledge with Maul and Anakin added

    Potential: Anakin, Maul


    MISCELLANEOUS:

    Potency Against Non-Force Users: Obi-Wan (for Grievous), Mace (for Jango)
  21. dewback_rancher Jedi Grand Master

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    THE FORCE:
    Knowledge: Darth Sidious, hands-down. He has the broadest knowledge base in the mythos, whether talking about the Force or just random arcania.

    Power: Luke Skywalker. Anakin's potential and the time to master it equals incomparable power.

    Mastery: Same as above. Anakin's potential and about four decades to hone it. Sidious, though, manages to come dang close in this department, as does Yoda.

    Potential: Anakin, Luke, and Leia tied. You can't beat the Chosen One's potential, which is there in full force (pun intended, since that's my sense of humor for ya :p ) in his kids.

    LIGHTSABER COMBAT:
    Knowledge: Sidious. Again, when it comes to overall knowledge, Sidious has a leg up on the competition.

    Skill: Luke. No one can beat Luke going all maelstrom-of-the-Force on a bunch of Vong mooks in TUF, taking his Djem So styling and ramping it up to speed comparable to that of Mace Windu's Vaapad. He took out, IIRC, five Slayers, while Kyp Durron, arguably in the next rung down from Skywalker-class Force potential (along with Whie Malreaux), couldn't even handle one. And it was weakened by Alpha Red, the anti-Vong bioweapon. Luke is repeatedly called the most skilled duelist in the Galaxy, and you can't argue with that.

    Potential: Anakin, Luke, and Leia tied. Gotta love that Skywalker blood, right?

    MISCELLANEOUS:
    Potency Against Non-Force Users: Sidious. The man uses the Force to aid him in manipulating events on a galactic scale. With his Force-granted foresight, he manages to play events so that no matter what the outcome, he wins. He makes the galaxy rejoice when he becomes Emperor, for Yoda's sake! You can't beat that! Yes, this is also due to his cunning and wilyness, but you can't discount the fact that Palpy's foresight made this level of manipulation possible.
  22. fistofan1 Force Ghost

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    THE FORCE:

    Knowledge: Yoda

    Power: Sidious

    Mastery: Yoda

    Potential: Luke

    LIGHTSABER COMBAT:

    Knowledge: Mace

    Skill: Maul

    Potential: Anakin

    MISCELLANEOUS:

    Potency Against Non-Force Users: Obi-Wan


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