To my mind, you don't have to kill every last enemy unit to win a war, or even to gain enemy territory. You simply have to fulfill all the objectives you are fighting to fulfill, and make sure the enemy doesn't fulfill his. The objective of the North Vietnamese was to unify the country under Communist rule. The objective of the Americans and the South Vietnamese was to keep South Vietnam independant. President Johnson decided against sending an additional 206,000 troops to Vietnam, and in 1975, President Ford instead decided to pull out of the war. The United States, unable to fullfill their objectives with their current resources in the area, and unwilling due to popular support for the anti-war movement to increase troop activity, retreated out of the theatre of combat, and the Communists united Vietnam. The North Vietnamese had accomplished their objective, and the United States had failed in theirs. To me, the answer to the question "Who won?" is obvious. Yet, many Americans claim that America has never lost a war. I'm not going to get into the War of 1812 here in detail, but just briefly I would like to say that the American objective there was to capture Canadian territory, and this objective was not accomplished. The war ended in a stalemate, but the borders remained unchanged, and this was the objective of the Canadians/British. Again, if you look at objectives, you see an American loss. So, I would like to see why Americans claim that they have never lost a war, when confronted with these facts. This thread is in no way intended to bash America. I want to give Americans a chance to explain why they feel the way they do on America's military history.