ST Who's The Baddie?

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Any connection with Snoke?

Joking aside, we can assume that Snoke is force-sensitive right? Based on what he says in the first teaser, unless he has a habit of speaking poetically of course.

 

What if Snoke and Maz are related in some way?

 

Snoke does have that Dickensian ring... instinctively sounds like some kind of obsequious factotum rather than a mighty, all-powerful 'Supreme Leader', and it's important that we think about the potential depth of his story, too.

How has he got to the position of power? Mastery of the Dark Side?

Is Ren his attack dog as Vader was to Palpatine?

Will Snoke be slain by his underling and the Dark Prince rise to become a King?

Tracing SW roots back to Flash Gordon, it would be nice to see Kylo Ren rise to a kind of 'Ming the Merciless' role, only to realise the error of his ways and fall on his sword later on...

If Kylo Ren is a prince now, there's time yet for him to become the King of the Galaxy.

 

"Supreme Leader" Snoke.

"First Order"

"Catapult" weapon

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Could the Yuuzan Vong, or something like them, make an appearance after all in the ST?

Remember the initial rumors that the "Empire" would play a third party in the ST? Rian Johnson was watching a lot of "12 O'Clock High" - massive flight combat / bombing. The Vong do seem to bring the noise with weaponry.

The quest for Skywalker might be important to eliminate the teacher of Jedi? Or hell, maybe Kylo thinks he can force (pardon the pun) Luke into training him even further into the ways of the Force?

Kylo could be on his own personal quest to rapidly develop his inherited powers to either please his allies, or as an attempt to save the galaxy on his terms?

Yes, I see Stormtroopers, Imperial stuff co-oped into "First Order" material... No. I don't see any Vong. That doesn't mean that Snoke could not be an extragalactic alien species. The First Order very well could have been Vader's unit and all that. Kylo wanting to drive the family wagon, ok on that too. The Vong could be playing Kylo and by extension the First Order by "speaking" to them as a supposed deified Vader?

Just some lunch hour thoughts!!!!

 

It's starting to sound more and more like it might be a mash up of a lot of EU ideas. Some vong ideas some plagueis ideas. Hopefully they can pull it off. They have plenty of work to "borrow" from.

 

i wonder how much time they'll spend explaining how these new villains got into whatever power they have

 

Love the Vong.

That would be too cool.

 

I think Snoke is likely some kind of religious fanatic. Or at least someone who uses religion to control people.

I don't see the name lining up much at all with Plagueis. Unless Plagueis is now a smokey snake? How would that connect to cheating death?

 

Snoke.

I think there was a pilot in the EU named Snoke. In any case, it's a real surname; but, I can't see a major character like that not having a name with symbolic references.

So, are the writers saying that the Supreme Leader is the equivalent of eCigarettes?

(No endorsement is intended.)

http://www.isnoke.com/en/

According to the Urban Dictionary, snoke is a reference to illicit drug use. Hmmm.

 

Snoke could still be Plagueis. Darth titles are separate from birth names.

Anakin Skywalker - Darth Vader
Count Dooku - Darth Tyranus
Sheev Palpatine - Darth Sideous

 

Yes... this is why I've been thinking it could be premature to say "Ha! He's not Plagueis!", as some have been doing.

 

probably none. just the crawl. you always come in during the story. previous crawls...

ep 1 there's a trade federation
ep 2 there are separatists
ep 3 there's a guy named grievous

ep 4 there's an empire
ep 5 there are bounty hunters
ep 6 the emperor's here

ep 7 there's a first order and their supreme leader is snoke

 

yeah i was thinking that.

"when last we left our heroes they had just killed the Emporer. Now there's a new one"

 

not an emperor and no empire though. or at least they aren't "the baddies".

i forget. IS the empire completely gone now?

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yuuzhan_Vong

Skip down to Culture, Society Description.

 

Ah... Good catch. Very interesting!

 

Snoke spoke a joke.

 

Snoke was the name of an x-wing pilot killed in the battle of endor. It was his first name however.

 

What am I looking for, the religious connection?

There's one important difference between the Vong and Snoke: the Vong don't feel the Force, IIRC.

In the first trailer Snoke clearly feels the Force.

While Snoke could still be Plagueis, Plagueis supporters now need to accept some kind of revision of the name Hego Damask. In other words, if they're still going with Plagueis, it doesn't look like much of the book on him will be retained.

Another issue is when you think about the physical qualities the name Snoke implies, none of these seem synonymous with Plagueis. Nor was Plagueis a religious fanatic from what I recall, and Snoke may be. It's not merely about the new name but that the overall profile seems to be different.

Unless someone wants to make the argument that a shedding snake suggests cheating death?

 

This was going to be my reponse, just for the sake of argument, but you beat me to it. Rebirth, snake eating it's own tale to represent the cyclical...all that jazz.

 

I've been waiting for Plagueis supporters to bring that possibility up. But since we're discussing it, I wonder if they would be open to Plagueis being a kind of snake alien?

And let's not forget the smoke aspect.

 

I think the smoke aspect could be, as many have said, a smoke and mirrors type vibe. Hard to see for what he is, shroud of the dark side. Some how ephemeral and ancient at the same time.

I think the DP ship has sailed, but it is still fun to debate.

Going with the serpent thing.. could there be a biblical vibe later in the ST? Rey is tempted by the forbidden knowledge Snoke offers, but eventually is the progenitor of the new Jedi order.

A reach, to be sure. Just having fun with it.

 

It is possible. I do wonder if that snake creature has a connection to an ancient Sith Lord.

 

I'm not sure it's a reach. We've had these rumors of an ancient or original evil for the ST. Snoke definitely has devilish connotations in his name.