1. Darth Chiznuk PT Trivia Master / Game Host

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    [face_laugh] Come on, dude, do you seriously think Kennedy or Lucas went into the first writing session and told everyone you can just forget about being creative because our plan is to just shove in as many dead characters as we can? If you really think this is the way Episode VII is going to go then here's hoping you're disappointed come 2015. I think you've just outlined the quickest way to kill SW.
  2. darklordoftech Chosen One

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    I don't think she/he's talking about what she/he wants. Expect != want.
  3. MiamiJedi Jedi Master

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    I don't want Episode VII to go that way, so I would not be disappointed.
    I do expect it to go that way because of corporate greed.
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  4. LANDO_ROCKS Force Ghost

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    It won't matter if Sidious comes back, it just shows what a badass he is. Anyway, you probably won't find out he's alive until Episode 8.

    When I watched ROTJ at the theatre I said to my buddy "Wait so one of the most powerful Sith get thrown off a ledge and that's it? Has to be a set up for the next film!" .
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  5. darklordoftech Chosen One

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    Either that or it was deliberately ironic.
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  6. Darth Chiznuk PT Trivia Master / Game Host

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    It makes no sense though. Bob Iger and co have been in the game long enough to know that a quality product makes them much more money than a terrible one. It's the reason they allow the people with Marvel who know how to give a good product to do their own thing without interference and there's no reason not to expect the same with Star Wars. Being creative/giving a quality product and making money aren't mutually exclusive (they usually go hand in hand) and they are smart enough to know that the Star Wars brand is strong enough to make them money without shoving in dead or unnecessary characters.
  7. Immortiss Force Ghost

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    The bigger they are, the greater/harder the fall.
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  8. Circular Logic SWTV Interview Host

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    There is no mercy. *Shoots Force Lightning* [face_devil]

    Resurrection is one thing, but redemption for Plagueis and especially Sidious, two irredeemably Complete Monsters, I absolutely cannot accept. These are two of the most evil beings the galaxy has ever known, interested only in power and domination over others.

    Powers that be, please do not allow for the redemption of these (ugh) resurrected Sith Lords, ever!

    In fact, I will [face_praying] to the spirit of the Sith'ari himself.

    Great Lord Bane, I beseech thee,
    Do not allow Plagueis or Sidious to return in the ST
    If they must return, ensure that by no means can they ever be redeemed
    So that history will always remember these Dark Lords as two of the galaxy's greatest scourges
    And they will remain, suffering in the oblivion of Chaos for all eternity.
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  9. anakinfansince1983 Chosen One

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    I'm not following the line of thought that says the movie won't "feel like Star Wars" if no dead characters get resurrected.

    Why are we assuming that no one survived ROTJ? There are surviving characters who can make an appearance and be recognizable.
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  10. darklordoftech Chosen One

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    When I said redeemed Sidious, I meant alive Sidious. However, "redeemed Sidious" reminds me of a time I thought about just that. What better way to end the Saga than to redeem all Darksiders?
  11. Darth Chiznuk PT Trivia Master / Game Host

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    Because they're not following Yoda's advice to "let go of everything you fear to lose." ;)
  12. darklordoftech Chosen One

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    That was the worst advice in the world, Yoda. I'm not going to stop caring about my family!
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  13. Ghost Chosen One

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    There's a difference between caring/loving something, and being attached to something. Anakin just didn't understand the difference.
  14. darklordoftech Chosen One

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    Yoda's statement didn't come off that way.
  15. Ghost Chosen One

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    Which is partly Yoda's fault, though Anakin should have known better after being with the Jedi for 13 years.

    Training yourself to let go of what you fear to lose just means: being accepting that everyone dies someday... you can and should fight to protect life, in a moral way, but when something does die you should be prepared and try to be at peace. "There is no death, there is only the Force."

    Also, I think it's been said that Yoda thought Anakin was worried about Palpatine being in political trouble, not about his secret wife dying (which Yoda knew nothing about). If Yoda had known about Padme, he might have said it differently.
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  16. darklordoftech Chosen One

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    That's interesting...
  17. DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR Chosen One

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    Yeah, it is. Where did you get that idea, from the novel? The movie makes it seem that both Obi-Wan and Yoda knew about Padme and Anakin's relationship.
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  18. darklordoftech Chosen One

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    Or at least suspected it.
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  19. gambit420 Force Ghost

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    There was no such thing as the term Sith when ROTJ hit the theatres. Unless you somehow read the first draft of ANH. And it can't be the Special Editions cuz everyone knew Episode 1 was quickly on it's way.
  20. darklordoftech Chosen One

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    By "next film" she/he might have meant a long-in-the-future Episode VII. And maybe she/he wasn't using her/his exact words. Maybe she/he said "Darth Vader's Master".
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  21. LANDO_ROCKS Force Ghost

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    Semantics mate, it was decades ago you know. Sith/bad guy whatever.
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  22. Maharishineo Jedi Master

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    We all know Lucas has been known to contradict himself when it comes to the untold parts of the story but I would like to point out that:

    (a) There was an outline for the ST 30 years ago and while it has surely changed, remember that
    (b) He said that the only characters that would be in all three trilogies are C3PO and R2D2 (unless you count baby Luke and Leia, I suppose)

    I find it hard to believe Lucas or Disney would have changed this, making Sidious an extremely unlikely villain for the ST in my mind.

    Remember Lucas has been a control freak and has said (a) nobody else will make the films and (b) the EU is more so an alternate universe that is a close offshoot of his own. When Lucas handed the ST off to Disney, I have no doubt that they had to agree to follow his outline/vision for the films.
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  23. Lee_ Force Ghost

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    I don't want Episode VII to go that way, so I would not be disappointed. I do expect it to go that way because of corporate greed.[/quote]

    It makes no sense though. Bob Iger and co have been in the game long enough to know that a quality product makes them much more money than a terrible one. It's the reason they allow the people with Marvel who know how to give a good product to do their own thing without interference and there's no reason not to expect the same with Star Wars. Being creative/giving a quality product and making money aren't mutually exclusive (they usually go hand in hand) and they are smart enough to know that the Star Wars brand is strong enough to make them money without shoving in dead or unnecessary characters.[/quote]

    Totally agree, and the most basic logic given the situation right now in the making of the movie (not to mention, as you allude to, the other movies Disney is a part of like that of Marvel) would indicate you are correct.

    Harrison, JJ, Arndt, etc. are not signing on to some half-baked rehash of SW; they clearly have other options. Disney is NOT micromanaging its other big-money movie makers under them, no reason to think they are going to do a 180 with SW.

    Funny how all of this "Disney will do this and Disney will do that with Ep. 7" is just non-stop on this site- as if Disney execs will be sitting on the set or in the discussions telling JJ, Kathleen, Arndt, etc. exactly what to do. Ain't gonna happen. These are elite level, independent professionals that don't do ridiculous rehash movies where they are given no creative control.
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  24. Ghost Chosen One

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    Hmm, I don't remember actually. It might have been the novel, or maybe one of those "the making of episode 3" books.
  25. Toonimator Force Ghost

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    There's also the scene back in AOTC after Dooku's escape, when Padme rushes to & embraces Anakin...right in front of Yoda. Yes, could easily be 'platonic', but... the idea's there. Obi-Wan already knew of Anakin's feelings. He may have even consulted with Yoda off-screen about his concerns for his Padawan. But even if not... Yoda suspected. That makes far more sense than him thinking Anakin was concerned about Palpatine in that conversation.