ST Who's The Baddie?

I for one am hoping for (1) a barbarian horde, maybe the Mandalorians, (2) a Jedi civil war, and (3) perhaps some Mortis-type people (who may or may not be Whills).

 

Thats what Palpatine did, used deception and intelligence rather than brute force. What sort of villain? Details. Does he/she wield a light saber? Use the dark side of the force? Have some Jedi killing weapon we haven't seen?

The Star Wars fans who want to see some new series with Jedi chasing around non dark side of the force users baffle me. May as well call it Star Treck and introduce some lame klingon vs Republic nonsense. Hell, why even have Jedi for that matter?

 

No, it was in a manner that tells us that he's dead.

Possibly a Dark Jedi. The galaxy is huge, the Sith aren't the only villains in it.

 

I'm all for that, have even suggested it in other threads but I'd like to see a more philosophical approach, as in, a barbarian horde, maybe the Mandalorians being used to effect a Sith or darkside agenda rather than a struggle for physical/economic/political domination of the Galaxy.

http://boards.theforce.net/threads/plagueis-witches-of-dathomir-nightsisters.50007546/

^ This isn't something I NEED to see but just a suggestion Not so much focusing on any one possibility other than having the villain holding a deeper agenda other than domination for the sake of domination or plunder or greed.

 

No Sith Ghosts, no resurrecting dead EU characters either.

An original story this would not be, not to mention a continuity ****-up if done badly.

 

That's a cool thread; I'm sorry I missed it! Anyway I'm not a fan of bringing back the Sith, unless it were done in a way that wouldn't invalidate the 6-movie arc as it is (if that requires a retcon, so be it). IMO the Mortis people, or people like them (Are they Whills? Are they "embodiments" of the Force?) might be interesting antagonists for Force users.

But, of course, we'll see... maybe in the New Year video, or maybe in January we'll get some clues as to the setting of the story. Then we'll be able to "constrain" our speculating

 

Definitely some good points here. I wouldn't be opposed to the idea if it's done like this.

 

Just because Plagueis told Sidious he could save others from death but not himself, doesn't make it true. The Sith are known liars, plus teaching your apprentice to become as powerful or more powerful than yourself doesn't seem like something the Sith would do. Is it that hard to believe that the Sith can become force ghosts too, but instead of guiding and mentoring like the Jedi, maybe they manipulate or posses the force sensitive.

Darth Plagueis makes sense to me for a number of reasons

1. He could be the reason balance is not yet brought to the force. If the Sith are destroyed and balance is brought to the force, I don't see a reason in calling it Episodes 7-9. Lets save non force using villains for the spin off movies.

2. It's a way to bring back the Sith without corny cloning or time travel.

3. It's a way to bring back the Sith without a completely new and unknown Sith just appearing out of nowhere, like hey I know you destroyed the only 2 Sith in the galaxy and thought you brought balance to the force, but I trained myself to become a Sith. It's pretty easy actually, anyone can do it at anytime so you'll never bring balance to the force.

4. Plagueis was barely mentioned for like two minutes in ROTS, if you believe the movies to be the only cannon then we don't even know what he looks like. He could be something familiar and completely new at the same time.

5. We wouldn't have a Jedi turn bad again, we've already done that twice with Anakin and Dooku.

 

Just like Obi-Wan. Palpatine is only labeled a liar because of being the villain, yet nothing he said up to that point was a lie.

 

No thinking about it, we'd have to see how The Old Republic plays out before we see anything about the Red-skinned true sith returning.

 

So now the Sith lie all the time? No, look at Palpatine's face when he's telling the story. Look at the glee, he's so happy that he killed Plaguies. The novel and Darth Plaguies outright state and show us that he is dead and that it was true he couldn't save himself. Do you really think when Lucas was writing that script that he had a backstory survival for Plaguies?

1. The Prophecy of the Chosen One was created long before the character of Darth Plaguies even existed. So no. You do realise that in a galaxy filled with trillions of beings, the Sith are not the only villains?

2. Why would we want to bring anybody back from the dead? Leave the dead characters alone. We don't need the old Sith brought back. Terrible idea.

3. Again, why do we need the Sith brought back? We don't. Out of nowhere? Darth Maul was a completely new and unknown Sith who appeared to us out of nowhere, we didn't know anything about him in TPM except that he was Sidious' apprentice. Was that a terrible? No.

4. *Canon. Does it matter what he looks like? All we needed to know about him was explained in ROTS. Anyway, Lucas had said that Plaguies was a Muun.

5. A Jedi turning to the dark side again is better than resurrecting a dead character.

 

In the next film, the new jedi order fights aliens who use both the light and dark side of the force...... what if using both sides of the force is the better way to go and luke has to realize that

 

I was more referring to Yoda's quote about dark siders creating lies and mistrust when referring to Dooku, so I probably should have said dark siders and not Sith. I also was talking about Plagueis lying about what knew about cheating death, not Sidious lying.

 

Sidious & Vader were the last two sith in the universe? No. that is an assumption

 

Well, the same goes for Plagueis: he would have been capable of lying, but even lightsiders are capable of lying. And it's possible that Sidious is claiming Plagueis had the power because he saw Plagueis use it with his own eyes...

 

Sith is not a family name. Sith is not that specific. In Star Wars, a sith is more the word used for "The ultimate bad guys for the movies."

 

I don't think you're really understanding what I'm saying, if Plagueis knew how to become a force ghost, he could be cheating death from a certain point of view, without technically being brought back from the dead. I believe Sidious killed Plagueis, I'm saying Plagueis could have been lying about what he knew about cheating death. If he is still training Sith, he would have to be destroyed somehow for balance to be brought to the force, never said anything about him predating the Prophecy.

Darth Maul was trained by Sidious so I wouldn't say he came out of nowhere, if there is a Sith in Episode VII who would have trained him, Vader and Sidious are dead. Or was there secretly more Sith out there for over 1000 years that had nothing to do with Plagueis/Sidious/Maul/Tyranus/Vader.

Yea there are many other villains out there in the galaxy, no doubt about it. Lets have 3 movies without lightsaber battles, see how well that will sit with fans.

Another Jedi gone bad would be better than having a non force using villain, if you want to see that happen for the third time.

 

Captain Needa comes back to life and takes revenge on the Skywalker family

 

I guess Sidious or Vader could have said to hell with the rule of two and secretly trained an apprentice before their deaths in ROTJ. I could see Sidious with a secret aprrentice before Vader though. If it was Vader I guess he just forgot to say anything about it to Luke before he died, and then failed to mention anything about it to Yoda or Obi Wan when he became a force ghost.

 

wouldn't any force sensitive person, who fell towards the darkside, be considered a Sith? im just wondering these points

 

If the general public can tell Mother Talzin, Pong Krell and The Son aren't Sith Lords in the Clone Wars TV series, they should have no problem doing the same for the movies.