ST Who's The Baddie?

To be technical, the novel is EU.

 

Depends on what kind of ghost. We've talked before about the difference between transcendental ghosts (Jedi) and immanent ghosts. The latter would be the Sith variety, imo, and could be destroyed by destroying the object or location they are attached to.

Also: ghosts might not need to be destroyed, but trapped or banished.

 

they didn't say anything of sith spectres.

 

Plagueis wont need to become a ghost.

 

A great Sith would never allow himself to be put in such a cage. He wants to remain in the profane world.


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True, Sith are all about the "crude matter."

Meanwhile, Jedi ghosts have just had a major retcon in TCW. Now they can affect the material world. Or at least those as powerful as Qui-Gon.

 

"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

IIRC ghost Obi-Wan moves a vine on Dagobah.

 

"I don't know. I can imagine quite a bit."

Yes, and I would like to see the ST show us what that means or looks like exactly.

 

EDIT: Nevermind. I'm an idiot

 

Oh, it happened.

But we're talking about the "Season 6" clip, not Mortis.

What happens in Mortis stays in Mortis.

 

Oh, sorry. What clip was it?

 

"So from watching TCW bonus content trailer it appears that Qui-Gon Jinn can somehow still manipulate things in the physical realm with the Force even though he is dead. He causes some candles to go out and even levitates Yoda." - Darth Chiznuk

 

Makes you wonder if it was Obi Wan's spirit that caused the proton torpedos to curve down into the shaft.
Remembering all that discussion about the netherworld and the Elmaybe rumors about Obi coming back makes you wonder if that TCW arc will pave the way for the Netherworld plot of the ST. The rumored meeting of Yoda and the spectres/ghosts or holocrons of Bane and Revan on Korriban (I refuse to believe in Moriband) will be very interesting indeed. I'll get my first TCW dosage tomorrow, when that Order 66 arc premieres here in Germany. The Korriban arc will air at the same time that Netflix gets the episodes. I am looking forward to some serious discussion then.

In preparation to the lost missions, I finally got around watching the final Season 5 arc and it was soooooo awesome. I really loved how Ahsoka's court martial pushed Anakin further toward the Dark Side. It really makes me wonder if we see Ahsoka again in Rebels or even EPVII. Since she forsook the order, I don't think Vader would persecure her. Maybe we get an arc in Rebels, where the Inquisitor goes after her, but Vader orders him back...

 

Qui-Gon subtly using the force to make Yoda aware of his presence is not a get out of jail free card for resurrections, ghost duels and other shenanigans.

You give them a finger, they take the entire arm.

 

If levitating one of the most powerful jedi ever is a subtle use of the force...

 

It's definitely looking likely that there's a theme of the dead being able to assert themselves, both spiritually and physically, in the 'real' world. Even if this goes no further than TCW - it at least is a very interesting notion that after years of force ghosts simply standing by and watching, they may be capable of more.

 

Yes it is subtle, gentle, not swinging away with a lightsaber or shooting lightning at everything in the room. Yoda wasn't resisting.

If this is the most ghosts can manipulate in the real world I'm okay with it. They should just never be able to replace the living.

 

I agree with that... influencing? Perhaps. Fighting each other in the spirit world? Perhaps. But I wouldn't like to see Yoda's force ghost (which we're so obviously going to see in the ST) beating up stormtroopers etc.

 

I don't know if I would call that subtle, seeing as how it's a power that has never before been witnessed by anyone. Ever.

From a force-users perspective, that's like calling the very first successful light bulb a subtle use of electricity, or the first telephone call a subtle leap in technology.

I'd call it a pretty big deal, and a tremendous display of a new force power/ability which opens up a door or new possibilities as we move forward.

It's adds a whole new dimension to the aforementioned last words spoken by Obi-Wan to Vader in the living world.

 

Geez, why did I know that this would immediately be abused as a doorway to introducing unnecessary and silly stuff like ghost fights in the sequels by some of the forum patrons?

Technically Obi-Wan was already capable of interacting with the physical world by speaking to other force users and sitting on that log.

 

Did I say anything about "ghost fights"?

I haven't even thought through how I would like (or if I would) to see this used or expanded in the future...I'm merely disagreeing with the notion that it's subtle.

All that said, this could just be a nifty TCW thing that we never see again.

 

No, you didn't. Maybe I was a bit overzealous.

 

Why show something like this? If he can lift Yoda, why can't he lift a lightsaber? Im not saying he should, but why couldn't he? Yoda wasn't resisting? Of course not, but would a lightsaber resist? He liftedthe table, no?

This is the kind of thing that worries me about this idea of new canon creation and more prequel timed material.