Speculation Who's The Baddie?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII - Spoilers Allowed' started by fishtailsam, Oct 31, 2012.

  1. purplerain Force Ghost

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    There might be a special weapon or Force-power that can destroy Plagueis's atoms.

    The reason I suggested that Plagueis have this ability is to get around the issue of Palpatine destroying Plagueis's body.
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  2. JediMatteus Force Ghost

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    I kind of like the nightsisters. I doubt that FOTJ will remain canon, so no they are not wiped out
  3. Darth Claire Force Ghost

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    Zombie Joffrey with a lightsaber. What else is more horrifying? [face_devil]
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  4. DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR Force Ghost

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    I was talking about TCW series, which pretty much says they are. I don't know what happened in FOTJ, and if it's a comic book, I don't consider them a part of the saga, anyway.
  5. purplerain Force Ghost

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    The best argument for Plagueis is connecting the saga, The saga would feel extremely disconnected if the villain's not connected to Palpatine.
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  6. Darth_Downunder Chosen One

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    I'd say that's the only good argument for him, & it's not a very convincing one.
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  7. Master Ood Force Ghost

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    Not necessarily, Palpatine wasn't the only bad person in the universe. I guess to connect it a student of Luke, disgruntled for whatever reason discovers information about Plagueis or even Palpy and starts down a dark path of discovery following their teachings. He doesn't even need to be disgruntled, just hungry for more power. We've seen that before.
  8. purplerain Force Ghost

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    being a bad person doesn't automatically connect you to other bad people
  9. Darth_Downunder Chosen One

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    Point is, this is the Skywalker saga, not that Palpatine saga. Not every single episode has to be about Palpatine as the villain, as Ep7 will demonstrate.
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  10. purplerain Force Ghost

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    I didn't mean to suggest that Palpatine survived ROTJ. There are ways to connect characters other than Plagueis to Palpatine.
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  11. Darth_Downunder Chosen One

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    & that may well be the case, but I don't think it's essential. As in any saga or series, hero continuity is what counts & villains can come & go. Granted Palpatine was a supreme super villain, but he's been dead for 35 years. Time for a new threat, whether there's a link to him or not.
  12. Master Ood Force Ghost

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    That was my point
  13. purplerain Force Ghost

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    whatever they do, no fallen Jedi
  14. Darth_Downunder Chosen One

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    I think there will be one at least. Hopefully not the main villain, but I have a feeling a next gen will be converted somewhere in the trilogy.
  15. Immortiss Force Ghost

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    If the ST is to return to 'what works' or 'an OT feel' then one must assume that it might be a quite personal story. I think it indicative of the importance of connecting the villain in some way to the entire saga. That is, the dark side will not be nearly enough to do so. There will be new villains, no doubt, but the uber-villain will need to be either direct (Palpatine) or once removed (Plagueis).
  16. Darth_Pevra Chosen One

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    The villain could be connected to Darth Vader. The villain could be connected to the Skywalkers. The villain could be connected to the Empire.
    There are many ways to somehow connect the villain to the previous movies without having him be connected to Palpatine.
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  17. DanielUK Jedi Grand Master

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    I still think the Yoda arc gave clues; the villain will somehow be connected to the Sith, with the heroes going on a journey to truly understand what the Sith are. Visitation of Moraband is likely and I'm beginning to wonder if we'll see Darth Bane.
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  18. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    I think they understand what the Sith are: adherents to the dark side of the Force.
  19. purplerain Force Ghost

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    If Plagueis is unique and has survived in a way that doesn't undermine Palpatine, he'll be awesome. Otherwise, he'll be the worst thing since Jar Jar.

    To those who don't care if Palpatine is undermined, if it's ok to undermine Palpatine, why not undermine the Sith in general?
  20. Darth_Pevra Chosen One

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    Why is it necessary to undermine main characters? I don't understand it.
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  22. KevinM1 Jedi Grand Master

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    I honestly don't get the fascination with Plagueis. He was created for RotS to highlight that Palpatine had a master, and that the Sith had been operating in secret before Palpatine took up the mantle of Sith Lord. That's it. His EU appearances can be safely ignored, IMO, as Disney has all but said that the vast majority of the EU won't be considered canon any longer. So you're left with the Sith equivalent of 'Kessel run' - a term to illustrate a point and not much else.

    The focus on him just shows a complete lack of imagination. Anyone or any thing could be a compelling, memorable antagonist if written well. It's not, and should not be, predicated on a name drop that the vast majority of the viewing audience won't remember. So, yeah, Plagueis could be the villain and could be a good one at that, but stressing that he has to be the villain because of a name drop is completely illogical.

    I, for one, will be disappointed if the big bad is another old Sith Lord. Been there, done that. After six films, the series desperately needs a new kind of threat, one that isn't wrapped in black robes, wielding a red lightsaber, and shooting lightning at everyone.
  23. plaidphoenix Force Ghost

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    It's not a lack of imagination, it's a lack of credible information coming out of either Disney or the Episode VII production office. I wouldn't object to the Plagueis discussion being put to bed, but until it's announced who the Episode VII/ST villain will be, nothing should be off limits to speculation.
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  24. KevinM1 Jedi Grand Master

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    I'm not saying that anything should be off limits, just that it's odd that the vast, vast majority of speculation is either Plagueis, because of a single name drop, or a student of Luke's, because it fits the pattern. I'd think that, if anything, the big bad wouldn't be an evil Force user because we've had six films with that setup.

    To add my own speculation, I have the feeling the villain could be someone/some thing that would try to wipe out Force users (or the Force in general) given the damage their conflicts cause to the galaxy at large. Something different for the franchise, that can tie into the generational story that all but writes itself.
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  25. Immortiss Force Ghost

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    Who's the Baddie? "A new kind of threat." Talk about a complete lack of imagination.:p