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TFA Who's The Baddie?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Sequel Trilogy (Released Films)' started by fishtailsam, Oct 31, 2012.

  1. The Hellhammer

    The Hellhammer Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yes they would.
    You can set him up in two sentences.
    "He was the Master of Darth Sidious/Emperor Palpatine. Everyone thought he was dead, apparently he's not."

    "Knowing" who Plagueis is does not require them to read the novel or every single related book/comic. He's quite easy to set up.
    In fact, the same applies to any character/organization. Almost everything can be set up within a single scene, so that argument which often appears when existing villains are suggested (that the general audience wouldn't know them) really holds no water.
     
  2. General Immodet

    General Immodet Jedi Master star 4

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    Wouldn't the audience wonder where Plagueis was during the PT and the OT?
    I think they will just think: "they had to come up with a villain someway"
     
  3. General Immodet

    General Immodet Jedi Master star 4

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    Ralph Fiennes ;)
    He is one of my favourite actors!
     
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  4. The Hellhammer

    The Hellhammer Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    His absence can also be explained in any way they see fit during that (or some other) scene.

    And...they do have to come up with a villain someway :p

    I personally highly doubt that the villain will be any existing character. Plagueis probably has the best chance of them all, but that's still a rather small chance hah. I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing something completely new.

    That being said, Ralph Fiennes as Plagueis could be very nice indeed!
     
  5. General Immodet

    General Immodet Jedi Master star 4

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    I am also convinced the new villain will be someone completely new.
    I think/hope if they bring a villain back, it will be General Veers or Mas Amedda.
     
  6. Lord Optimus

    Lord Optimus Jedi Knight star 2

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    I also fear as you do, there was a recent interview with Sam Witwer, who is the voice of Darth Maul in TCW.

    When talking about the future plans for Darth Maul, Dave Filoni said "So we're probably going to kill this guy after a few more episodes, yeah?" and George Lucas responded "No. No, we're not. We made that mistake once before. We're not doing that again."

    Filoni and Lucas were obviously talking about the future plans for Maul in TCW, and the interview wasn't about the ST but one can't help but wonder.

    Here's the link to the interview - A Tale Of Two Mauls
     
  7. StarWarsFan91

    StarWarsFan91 Jedi Master star 4

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    That can be changed, besides there are several EU fans that haven't read any C-canon EU books, that's because they watch TCW (which is EU) or play video games (also EU).

    So its not just the book readers who know that sith aren't the only darksiders, but TCW watchers as well.

    And this assumption could be changed in Episode 7. Instead of having your usual 2 sith, i think having a group of dark jedi, allied together for a common goal, would be interesting.

    Dark Forces 2 had something like that.

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Seven_Dark_Jedi
     
  8. Fleab88

    Fleab88 Jedi Master star 4

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    This argument keeps being made, but every time it fails to make sense to me. A brand new villain we have never heard of would also mean few people know who he is. The argument of saying you cannot have Plagueis as a villain because people wouldn't know him isn't an argument. Any villain they have in this trilogy is going to require explanation. People did not suddenly know who Darth Vader was at the beginning of A New Hope. We gradually learned about this compelling villain. We even get a whole new villain thrown into the mix with the emperor that we never see in the first film except for a simple mention. I think it is perfectly normal to not want Plagueis as the villain, but this argument is simply hypocritical since it would require being used for any villain they chose. I also find it rather ironic that in another post you recommend using Veers or Mas Amedda as the villain. Aside form the fact that they would be generally boring for the average viewer, people know as much about them as they do Plagueis for the most part.

    And for the record, we can have Plagueis as a villain. Not saying we will, but it is certainly feasible. Right now your basic argument is it is impossible to have Plagueis as the villain because no one knows anything about him in the beginning fo the trilogy just like it would be for literally any other villain they choose unless it is Darth Vader or Palpatine. That logic simply cannot work without falling apart form the beginning.
     
  9. run_luke_run

    run_luke_run Jedi Master star 4

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    Not to mention we had Dooku thrown at us with no backstory or explanation...and who was the Grievous guy again?

    No explanation at all. Just..."here's a new bad guy".
     
  10. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Four Time PT Trivia Champ/GOAT/New Films Manager star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    So I'm watching The Phantom Menace and it has me thinking. We're introduced to Anakin as the Chosen One and told he is to bring balance to the Force. Supposedly he does this in ROTJ by destroying the Sith and the story should be over. But what if Plagueis' experiment that caused the Force to create Anakin actually succeeded and in the ST we're introduced to a being that is the antithesis of what Anakin Skywalker was supposed to be (and in the end became). Sort of the Anti-Chosen One. :p
    Plagueis could be guiding this figure from the netherworld and he could be building his forces in secret. The name I used is obviously silly (and would be stupid to include) but the concept intrigues me.
     
  11. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    False. The assumption given in the movies is that there's a sect of lightsiders called the Jedi and a two-person sect of darksiders called the Sith.
     
  12. Darth kRud

    Darth kRud Jedi Knight star 3

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    Lucas doesn't make mistakes. What are you? Some sort of fanboy? ;)
     
  13. Lord Optimus

    Lord Optimus Jedi Knight star 2

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    This could be fun, maybe Plagueis let Sidious kill him so he could watch from the netherworld as his creation wreaks havoc on the galaxy.

    What if Plagueis manipulating things from the dark side netherworld is actually what is unbalancing the force. If he is the first and only Sith to become a force ghost, achieving something so powerful/infinite would be catastrophic, it would also explain why the prophecy is not yet fulfilled.
     
  14. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Four Time PT Trivia Champ/GOAT/New Films Manager star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    It could also lead up to Anakin and Luke traveling through the netherworld to defeat Plagueis while the new protagonist confronts his spawn. I have no idea how you would portray that battle in the netherworld (it would be kind of silly if they had lightsabers in the afterlife :p) but it would definitely be something we haven't seen before. I'm just so intrigued about what the netherworld of the Force looks like.
     
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  15. Lord Optimus

    Lord Optimus Jedi Knight star 2

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    The netherworld of the force intrigues me as well, I agree they would have to find a different way to portray the battle or somehow make lightsabers relevant/believable in the afterlife.

    Maybe there could be some lost souls in the dark side netherworld, minus Vader though.

    [​IMG]
     
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  16. obi_kenobi_24

    obi_kenobi_24 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Maybe Plagueis will make our heroes choose the form of their destructor and he gets transformed into this...
    [​IMG]
     
  17. Deejo

    Deejo Jedi Padawan star 1

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  18. Darth Claire

    Darth Claire Force Ghost star 5

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    bad ass pic of the day
     
  19. LunarMoth

    LunarMoth Jedi Master star 4

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    Most people who see the ST will have seen ALL of the other movies. I would go as far as to say that more people will be familiar with Ep. III than the OT. They will know who he is by referrence and whatever exposition they right to reveal/introduce him.
     
  20. DARTHSHAME

    DARTHSHAME Jedi Master star 4

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    Gradually, starting to see the Plagueis angle as more plausible. Although, I prefer a new villain, It may be safer than developing a new villain and having him/her be completely underwhelming.
     
  21. Palpatine2016

    Palpatine2016 Jedi Master star 4

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    A lot of people have seen Episode III though. I'd much rather them go this route than introducing some new villain that doesn't have the caliber of Palpatine.
     
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  22. DARTHSHAME

    DARTHSHAME Jedi Master star 4

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    Palpatine is a hard act to follow. In fact, I do not think it can be done. Although, the idea of Palpatine's master returning would be interesting.
     
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  23. Darth_Kiryan

    Darth_Kiryan Jedi Master star 4

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    new avatar
     
  24. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    I was thinking along those lines. Whithout Palps, what Sith other than Plagueis could be taken seriously?
     
  25. Placeholder

    Placeholder Jedi Knight star 4

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    Bringing back dead characters isn't a great way to be taken seriously. It's lazy and cliche.
     
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