ST Who's The Baddie?

Yeah, even I wouldnt say that......

 

I'm wondering....who claimed that Plagueis' absence in the ST would be tantamount to a plot hole? Just curious. I've never read that here.

To say 'In filmmaking there's no rule' for this or for that is agreeable enough, I suppose, although so general and lacking in specifics I'm left wondering the point of the statement. For instance, who is making these blanket categorical statements that "Everything must foreshadow something" and "Every character mentioned must appear"? You seem to enjoy setting up your own fallacious premise, attributed to nobody, in order to refute statements that are on the surface completely baseless. Why? Or, congratulations and well done.

I will say there exists within the SW storytelling style/framework a precedent found in the existing narrative and content. If one is looking seriously for some evidence to consider villain possibilities in the ST, the existing narrative style and content of the OT and PT is the best we've got, no? They are a guide with specific examples. Is there foreshadowing in SW? Is there precedent for named characters making an appearance later? Is there subtext? I can only speak for myself, but I believe all three exist in the series and Star Wars without these plot devices is not really Star Wars, it's something else. IF Plagueis were to appear in the ST it isn't because 'Every character mentioned needed to appear' or 'Everything needed to be foreshadowed by something else'. Only some characters and some things that are vital to the plot. Let's not be hyperbolic, folks.

EDIT: And the 'cult-like following' is more exaggeration and less understanding. Look, some are simply looking at the story and see what they see. For some, the name is irrelevant. It could have been Darth Ruin, Bane, Malgus or Jerry Lewis that Palps mentioned. I would still believe what I do about the possibility in the story.

 

Here's what I was referring to:

 

Please, tell me more of Darth Jerry Lewis.

 

Do not want.

 

Three words I never thought I'd see you post.

 

You better believe it pilgrim.

 

So now the rumor is that D.Gleeson will be Luke's son who is the cyborg & presumably a villain. Makes more sense. Full bearded Luke as a cyborg never matched up.

 

Problem... Gleeson is fully bearded as well, if I'm not mistaken on dates and photos.

 

Hmm...

Well then I don't know what the hell's going on.

 

the beard could be a decoy!

 

Hmm... we've got absolutely nothing on Oscar Isaac's character. Maybe he's the cyborg.

 

I can see Gleeson as Luke's son, but something about it screams "too obvious". I like the idea of Driver as both the cyborg and Luke's son. This makes a certain degree of sense since it was announced/rumored when Driver signed on to EPVII that he might be playing a villain. Also, if this is the case and it turns out that Daisy is the heroine of the trilogy, as well as being Han and Leia's daughter, it maintains the conflict internal to the Skywalker/Solo family.

 

Where did you hear that?

 

Let's assume Gleeson is the cyborg. That means that either he shaved the beard during the necessary scenes, the beard is now part of the cyborg design, or the design has been changed such that the old photos are misleading us. His beard surely isn't as long as Hamill's, so maybe its possible it's not a huge problem to work around?

SO, Gleeson would be the main villain for 7 while Driver steps up in 8 and 9. Sounds cool to me.

 

I feel as if we're getting further and further from the truth, not closer to it.

 

Many think that the leaked cyborg art looks like a younger Luke. It's possible that in August 2013 (when the art was done) the artist was told to draw versions of a cyborg that have some resemblance to a younger Luke because the artist was told Luke's son will end up playing the cyborg.

 

I think we have always been right....from a certain point of view

 

Hmmm. The Dark Side clouds everything. Impossible to see, the future is.

 

Wow that was a year ago...lol

 

True, but then again, Star Wars has never done that - a shocking reveal of the villain. A shocking reveal about the villain, yes, but not of.

If there is any truth to "a shocking reveal of the bad guy", I'd put money on it being not about the big bad himself, but rather another, unrelated threat. A conspiracy within the Alliance to destroy the Empire by any means, no matter the cost.

Or something.

 

^^ THIS ^^

I'm warming to the idea of Luke adopting "the ends justifies the means" approach, but I don't think he is the 'big reveal' - it's been spoiled too much. No, this will be about an actress or actor we haven't heard about yet.

 

No , I don't see Luke having such an attitude. This is Star Wars, not 24 or James Bond.

In Star Wars the bad guys do bad things, the good guys do good things.

 

That's very debatable. See TCW.

As for a conspiracy to destroy the Empire by any means within the Alliance; I think that's pretty guaranteed. The galaxy is in the midst of a Cold War and I doubt, at the end of EpIX, everybody is going to shake hands and sign a peace treaty.