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ST Who's The Baddie?

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by fishtailsam, Oct 31, 2012.

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  1. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Palpatine and Sidious have awfully similar faces and voices.
     
  2. yggdrasil311

    yggdrasil311 Jedi Master star 3

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    If he wears black he is a bad guy. Get it right or pay the price (get called a farthead on these boards).
     
  3. Cartoon Boba

    Cartoon Boba Jedi Knight star 2

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    Tell that to Luke in 'Jedi'.
     
  4. plaidphoenix

    plaidphoenix Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    True. But you get my point that sometimes you can take things at face value, sometimes you can't. Just because someone hasn't been introduced as Darth So and So doesn't mean they don't already have the title or obtain it at some point it in the future. For all we know there's been a massive misdirect going on by JJ and KK and Rey is really the baddie/Sith. Doubtful, but it's fun to speculate until the movie is actually released.
     
  5. yggdrasil311

    yggdrasil311 Jedi Master star 3

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    Yes. Literal Poster. That was the point.
     
  6. Cartoon Boba

    Cartoon Boba Jedi Knight star 2

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    What do you want, a Smiley?
     
  7. Darth PJ

    Darth PJ Force Ghost star 6

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    It's of course easier to see that in hindsight and seems obvious now. At the time it wasn't so clear, especially as clones/brothes etc. played into speculation too.
     
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  8. JJRosso

    JJRosso Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Are you serious? It was obvious at the first shot with the Trade Federation
     
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  9. CEB

    CEB Force Ghost star 5

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    My girlfriend had never seen Star Wars, and tends to miss important plot points and stuff that need explaining later. We watched the saga chronologically, with her knowing nothing about it at all, and from the minute that Senator Palpatine was talking via hologram to Naboo, she was like "uh - is that the same guy who is bossing the trade federation? So he's playing both sides"

    There are enough winks that Palpatine is evil in the phantom menace anyway - it's not set up as a twist for people going in cold. Or at least not entirely.
     
  10. Satipo

    Satipo Force Ghost star 7

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    Yeah, I thought Palps = Sidious was obvious from the trailer. Not sure who wasn't fooled.
     
  11. DANNASUK

    DANNASUK Force Ghost star 7

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    It was pretty darn obvious.
     
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  12. SgtTimBob

    SgtTimBob Manager Emeritus star 4 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Wait. Palpatine is Sidious?? Mind = blown.
     
  13. Grand Master Galen Marek

    Grand Master Galen Marek Jedi Knight star 4

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    Yes indeed Sidious is the ultimate baddie.
     
  14. PCCViking

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    Even if it wasn't obvious from The Phantom Menace about Palpatine being Sidious, there was additional evidence in Attack of the Clones: a comment Palpatine made to Anakin being very similar to a comment made by Dooku against Yoda.
     
  15. Darth_Bertie

    Darth_Bertie Force Ghost star 6

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    Very interesting podcast from the guys of MSW guys. They talk about the whole Kylo Ren stuff that has been surfacing.
     
  16. Dra---

    Dra--- Force Ghost star 6

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    And?

    Darth PJ: I dig the idea that Ren might be knighted a Sith at some point. Maybe the end of 7 or that's his whole arc.
     
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  17. Darth_Bertie

    Darth_Bertie Force Ghost star 6

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    No exclusive info, they discussed the latest Kylo Ren reports, the leaked mask, the leaked toys, the comment how spot on seem to be Mizzlewump rumors, and about LukeĀ“s role as the new Obi-Wan. They reafirm in the whole Vader mask as well btw.
     
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  18. Salacious Crumbs

    Salacious Crumbs Jedi Padawan

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    I posted this in another thread, but in terms of reconciling the villainous Kylo Ren with the pilot photo, I remember a rumor that there's a big space bottle at the beginning where Ren plays a significant role. Maybe he is injured in the battle, leading to some kind of Vaderesque transformation?
     
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  19. dlbates

    dlbates Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah my wife is pretty oblivious when it comes to noticing things and it took the whole episode 1 to figure it out. When they are burning Qui Gon, Yoda said always two there are and Mace said which one was killed the master or Apprentice. The camera pans right to Palpatine, and wife was like oh s&@t that's the master.
     
  20. Darth PJ

    Darth PJ Force Ghost star 6

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    Save us from stating the bleedin' obvious. YES, we all knew that Palpatine was the Emperor and that McDiarmid was the actor playing both parts, but we didn't know how it would play out. You didn't too (unless you're George Lucas). I was here and elsewhere during the 'early days' and no one was 100% sure how it would play out... regardles of how obvious it seems now.
     
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  21. JJRosso

    JJRosso Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Hey, not tryin to argue but, Bleedin obvious? You said you didn't know, even though it was obvious. Clones? Brothers? I guess you read too many rumours instead of just watchin the movie. If Han doesn't die in Ep7 you will say it wasn't obvious that Han wouldn't die, just because of a rumour going round before the movie or that it wasn't obvious Plaguies wasn't the bad guy, even if hes not in the movie at all.
     
  22. CEB

    CEB Force Ghost star 5

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    As I recall, there were a lot, quite possibly the majority, of people on here back then, who said from the start that there wouldnt be any twist for the audience about Palpatine/Sidious, and that a significant part of the drama of the PT was about the Jedi being unaware of the truth that the audience were party to.
    Clones/brothers was only speculated on by people who were making wild stabs in the dark and over complicating things, as well as misunderstanding the themes that informed the PT - there was never any supporting evidence, either runoured, or reasonable interpretations of spoilers or spy reports that ever gave credence to it.
    The only aspect that there was ever any real doubt about, was whether Palpatines facial disfigurement was his true face, or whether he genuinely was disfigured by Mace Windu in ROTS
     
  23. Toonimator

    Toonimator Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think the "clone/brother" nonsense was just dreamed up by folks trying to predict the "No, I am your father" reveal of the PT, because so many were convinced there would be such a reveal in the films.
     
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  24. nld3

    nld3 Jedi Master star 2

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    People that weren't major fans had no clue.
     
  25. Krueger

    Krueger Chosen One star 5

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    The last shot in the funeral scene makes it pretty clear that Palpatine and Sidious are one and the same.
     
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