Speculation Whose The Baddie?

With jj at the helm, I hope the federation invades the galaxy & we can end the debate over sci-fi supremacy once & for all.

I always found it funny that for all their supposed power, Star Trek ships start falling apart after the first hit they sustain and then they just keep falling apart for the rest of the fight. In fact, they can take quite a beating but it seems the crew gets hysterical rather quickly. Funny things, those Trek ships.
And then hold a debate about wether it is morally acceptable to return fire.

Don't get me wrong, I really love some things in Trek but just...has it's absurdities hah.

Legend isnt that good. But Tim Curry is a hell of a bad*** in this:



Could be a nice Trailer for VII too.

I would love Plagueis to be back, but he would have to be in the same vein as he was in his novel. I like the idea of him being this influential and spindly muun.... Rather than returning from death as a raving sith maniac, I would prefer it to be more subtle, but just as deadly. For example, a Muun of wealth and influence running a corporation and plotting again but being discovered would be cooler than say, Darth Maul released from Carbonite, bearing teeth and saying crap like 'I knew your father, I hated Kenobi, Jedi must die' etc

I agree, I haven't read the novel but I think Darth Plagueis is one of the more likely options, Darth Maul not so much.

You mean you want a puppeteer villain like Palpy? Been there, done that. I hope Arndt is a little more creative than that. We need a unique villain, one who stands out among the others, not a weak carbon copy of Palpatine.

I probably wasn't clear, sorry. I want a villain who has been hiding during the empire, building their own empire and then makes a bid for power agains the Sequel trilogy crew, and we discover, it is plagueis, reborn.

You mean he patiently built his power base while waiting for the right moment to strike like a spider in a web? That sounds exactly like the standard-fare cold and scheming villain. I still don't see a big difference to Palpatine.

It is better than introducing some random villain, never mentioned before, with no real connection to the previous trilogies and who is just there because *someone* had to fill in the role of the main villain.

I'd rather have a randomly appearing interesting villain instead of a carbon copy of a previously existing villain.

Plus you could always give Plagueis a different personality than the boring one he had in the novels.

Like I said in other posts my $ is on a secret apptc of Palapatine. He seemed almost obsessed with passing on his knowledge. Beginning with Maul, Dooku, Anakin etc... Maul & Dooku where trained in secrecy & Anakin was forged into DV at the beginning of the empire. We know that The Emperor was a great mentor/trainer even to men as seen in his royal guard. I feel as time grew & knowing/sensing DV's lust for power he would secretly train another. It seems to be in his character. Why would he just stop? Especially if you take into account all the younglings in the jedi temple at its fall. Force sensitive children will still be born & he would have the pick of the litter if you will. He would have the $, resources to make it happen.

I truly hope with the galaxy firmly in his grip that Palpatine would abandon the rule of two & would have secretly begun building a new sith army/culture with the Jedi gone he would have no obstacles except for the rebellion. Imagine a new jedi order confronting a resurgent sith. You would have a new war to rival anything from the old republic, and plenty of material for 3+ films.

I don't think there is any reason for Palpatine to train others and teach them his powers.
Sure, before and during the Clone Wars he needed a lot of apprentices, because he was not the all-powerful Emperor.

During the Galactic Civil War? Not so much need of an apprentice besides Vader. He thinks he's alone. He doesn't know where Yoda is and hasn't seen him in like 30 years. He knows Obi-Wan is dead (but doesn't know about Force Ghosts).
All he knows for sure is that there is a boy, presumably trained only by Obi-Wan until he died, who is most likely training himself.

If the Emperor wants to keep the powers he already has, one way to do it is to not give his knowledge and powers to other potential adversaries.
Because he knows very well that Sith apprentices want to take their master's place, sooner or later.

You can have old villains be interesting too.
It's not too often we see a villain learning from his past mistakes and perfecting his methods.

Plagueis is completely unknown to the audience, apart from one line in RotS. 90% of the audience hasn't even read (or heard) about the Darth Plagueis book. Heck, most of them have probably already forgotten about him.
If it is Plagueis, then the writers should be smart enough to give him unique character traits, different from the book, and most of the audience won't know.

A random villain needs backstory, and lots of it. His motivation for being the villain must be explored and explained more deeply than "he is just bad".
With Plagueis we already have a backstory, in just a few sentences: He found ways to keep others from dieing, it is implied that he created Anakin (or because of him). And most importantly, he was Sidious' master. And everyone knows that Sidious is powerful and evil. Imagine how his master could be.

Giving us a random, not mentioned, villain would be such a killjoy, as that random villain must become a threat at least as menacing as Palpatine and Vader combined. Otherwise, it will just seem like a filler villain, just to justify there being a conflict to get the ST going.



Plagueis can fit nicely in an eventual Mortis storyline. It is known that the Whills have been mentioned in RotS. We know that Qui-Gon made his first appearance on Mortis - he found a way to cheat death. And he said that the Shaman of Whills (probably Father) taught him how to do it.
Plagueis? Well, if he could save others from death, it is pretty weird to assume that he didn't think of any protection for himself.

Someone posted an old interview with Mark Hamill where he said that Lucas' original intention with the ST was to have the important battles take place on another plain of existence.
Now, we know Lucas changes things from movie to movie, but he also has the habit of reusing older ideas (Mace Windu, midichlorians, Whills etc).

I believe that Plagueis would fit into the Mortis storyline, perhaps a cameo from Qui-Gon, as the ultimate battle takes place in the Netherworld of the Force. We could also meet Yoda, Obi-Wan or Anakin on Mortis, as they are Force Ghosts.

That way, we won't need any cloned Palpatines, no resurrected Darth Vader and no physical Plagueis.
Just one of them influencing a powerful Force-sensitive apprentice, who is doing their bidding in the material world.

That may be? I'm thinking that Palpatine being the greatest Sith ruler & having the keys to the galaxy for a few decades would want to re-establish the Sith empire.

He would in his mind abandon the rule of two setup up by Darth Bane. With the jedi gone wouldn't the greatest Sith want to restablish the greatness of their former empire? It would be in secret I'm sure, but why would he just be happy with having just his apptc. They defeated the jedi finally & he's going to keep the rule of two with no one to oppose him? I'm not sure how open Palpatine & Vader where about being Sith Lords in the galaxy, but I can see a secret Sith colony maybe even on korriban? What better way to show your power & claim victory over your enemies then reviving a once dead race? Palpatine's weakness was his overconfidence so he probably never felt power could be taken from him by Vader or a resurgent sith people, if he kept them in check.

We can speculate forever, as long as I see some great lightsaber battles I'll be happy.

Technically, Qui-Gon's first appearance would be in AOTC, even though he didn't literally appear. ( The ROTS novel creates a different impression, but according to the film commentary AOTC was the first time Yoda heard Qui-Gon. )

That's true. Though we don't know exactly if "the Ones" (stupid name, considering that they are more than one) were Force apparitions or physical entities.
We're told that one is the embodiment of the Dark Side, one the embodiment of the Light Side and one is both. But they can change shape and they can teleport. So I guess they're more ghosts than actual people.
Still, the Mortis storyline remains vague, intentional or not.
What is 99% certain is that Qui-Gon was trained by the Shaman of the Whills and the first apparition of his Force Ghost is on Mortis, which just happens to be the home of these powerful...things who are the embodiment of the various aspects of the Force.

I wouldn't mind seeing him if his traits were tweaked a little. That he was mentioned in the prequels would indeed be beneficial.

I hope Plagueis isn't really capable of cheating death and if he appears in the ST, only made Palps believe he killed him (could've swaped places with a clone or something). Because once you go down the path of reanimating characters, forever will it define your destiny. Seriously. Death is already close to being a joke in star wars because of the ghosts. Please, please, please no reanimations. If they started with it, you could never be sure whether a character is perma-death or just "on vacation". I read the X-Men, I know how bad it can become.

Plagueis could work on cheating death, yes, that's okay. Maybe the heroes try to stop him from doing such unholy things. But he should never succeed. Never ever ever. Never!

I disagree. This is typical Hollywood mentality. Everything must be bigger than before. Untrue. A story isn't better just because the big bad is capable of nuking a galaxy instead of a planet.
How to make a villain threatening 101: When he appears, there must be lethal danger for the protagonists. Occasionally someone must die. Vader and Palpatine were effective because you knew they were real business for the heroes whenever they appeared.

I don't think we'll see a netherworld. It was nice in TCW, but TCW is a show for kids. In an episode that kind of stuff could be too cheesy while again, taking away from death.

Darth Sidious: Once more, the Sith will rule the galaxy, and we shall have peace.

IMO, I feel he had a plan for the sith bigger than the rule of two.

Since everything in Mortis is so vague, do we even know for certain that was Qui-Gon's Force ghost ( who still did not appear in visible form in his appearance in the ROTS script )?

Betty White will play an evil Jedi librarian who uses recovered holocrons to forge the galaxy into a feeding ground for large reptillian predators. She will also curse frequently.

I think it is highly unlikely that the villain will be someone/somehting that already exists somewhere in any of the various SW media.
For the ST at least, I think we'll see something completely new and not a screen version of something from existing material.

However, for the pure fun of speculation:
The more I think of it, the more the Infinite Empire (or something along those lines) could be quite a nice enemy force. An ancient unknown power that has been gathering strength in the remote parts of the galaxy, watching with mild amusement the conflicts like the Clone Wars and the Galactic Civil War, waiting for the galaxy to weaken enough for them to strike and regain power.
This has been mentioned somewhere in a different thread, and people said "Well, the average moviegoer has no idea who the Rakata are, it'll be confusing."
No, it won't. It can be explained in just a few sentences and everyone would see it crystal clear.
For example: "They are an ancient Empire, thought to be extinct even before the Republic was formed. They are no more than a myth but it would appear that they have been hiding in the far reaches of the galaxy for centuries, gathering power. Now they're back."

A sentence like that can just as easily work for whatever new villain they come up with, and it is quite easy to explain to everyone who the threat is. No need for a two-semester SW ancient history class.

Again, I think it is nearly impossible for them to be the villains but hey - speculation is fun.

And, the most important point to make is that it does not have to be Rakata or the Infinite Empire at all. Even if they make up something completely new along the lines of an ancient galactic-spanning power that predates the Republic, it could be quite fun.

Mina Organa, Leia's daughter.

Not really keen on Plagueis. I have some better ideas:

Darth Annoyis
Darth Inconvenious
Darth Grouchous
Darth Inconsideratus

I've uncovered some gold here. Will write in to JJ

Tonight I'm believing that a female villain makes a lot of sense. 1) Female action heroes and villains are popular now. 2) We haven't seen a female big bad in the PT and OT yet.

I'm also beginning to hope more and more that there will be some pulpy serial roots at play with the ST. I'm going to start researching, starting with Flash Gordon, old serials for titles and possible plot influences.

I'm personally pulling for Darth Plagueis, but here's another option I've been joking around with.

IG-88 growing rapidly smarter by the second decrees that droids are superior to biological creatures in every way.

For the past 30-40 years he has colonized an abandoned planet in the unknown regions of the galaxy and has set up factories manufacturing a new droid army. His new army is completely different and far more threatening than the droid armies of The Clone Wars.

With their numbers strong he declares war on all life and even starts a droid revolution throughout the galaxy. Many protocol, astromech, medical, mechanical, labor, and security droids now see him as their liberator.

They could have IG-88 wield a lightsaber with out being force sensitive, similar to Grievous, so there could still be lightsaber duels.

IG-88 could be like the Ultron of Star Wars, imagine something similar to Ultron from Marvel Comics with an army of T-800 Terminators.

I like it, but the only problem--and maybe this is the problem with everything--is it's been done. The robot/battle suit thing has been done a lot: Terminator, Transformers, Iron Man.

Even an actual plague of some kind, which I've been thinking of (based on this Flash Gordon plot below) has been done a lot recently. What's been done the least?

Flash Gordon Conquers the Universe:

A deadly plague is ravaging the Earth, known as the Purple Death because of the spot left on victims' foreheads. Ming the Merciless is suspected to be behind the plague and it is discovered that his spaceships have been dropping "Death Dust" in the Earth's atmosphere.

SO, a villain, perhaps Plagueis, who really wants to wipe everyone out for some reason. He/she doesn't want to rule the galaxy, but make it dead.