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PT Why Are The PT Films criticized? (catch-all thread)

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Seagoat, Jan 17, 2016.

  1. Cryogenic

    Cryogenic Force Ghost star 5

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    What's with the snippy, needless sarcasm?

    You do actually like Star Wars in some form, right?

    All the films have their share of violence within them. The series is called "Star Wars", the first lines of the original crawl are "It is a period of civil war", and the original then plunges straight into a firefight in space.

    The original also finds the camera first settling on two frantic (well, one anxious, one a little less so) droids. Which is very clever; as our first "taste" of the personal, within a war setting, is not actually humans, who are doing the fighting, but robots who are trying to evade it.

    There's actually a lot of really neat stuff in Star Wars if you open yourself up to it. Yes, Jedi slicing droids down like they're butter looks cool, and Anakin later blasting some of the fancier ones to pieces, the same type that earlier forced the Jedi into retreat, also looks pretty cool; even if it also has a perturbing quality. In fact, by the time the narrative catches back up with itself at the start of ANH, having droids be the unwitting saviours of the galaxy is, when you think back to how they're treated in the prequels by the Jedi and other characters, quite a statement in itself. Again, as the saga keeps showing over and over the more you peer into it, there's so much wit, scope, flavour, and texture to everything.
     
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  2. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

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    What's with the overreaction? Thought you would appreciate the implied irony.

    My previous post was equally sarcastic too.
     
  3. Cryogenic

    Cryogenic Force Ghost star 5

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    Well, it had to be, right? Since you have an abstract representation of spaceships firing at one another as your current avatar.

    Otherwise, no, I kinda missed your sarcastic interjection; or didn't quite see the point in it.

    Especially as I was just having some random fun talking about the coolness of some droid designs, and then you had to come in out of nowhere and insinuate something crooked about Lucas' storytelling methods.
     
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  4. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

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    Sarcastic or not, it wasn't intended to impune your fun. It's just a sentence.
     
  5. Cryogenic

    Cryogenic Force Ghost star 5

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    Your original interjection was mounted as a question and therefore seemed to be seeking a response, but perhaps playfully.

    But then you snipped back a second time and I started to think you were really just trolling my input.

    Especially given the fact that earlier on this very page you seemed to express some "issues" with the droids being cut down en masse by the Jedi (vis-a-vis Vader's more tragic, non-slasher portrayal):


    And then there is everything you have been saying in Darth Nerdling's new thread about Vader's scene in "Rogue One" and how it compares to his portrayal in ROTS:

    http://boards.theforce.net/threads/the-reaction-to-the-rogue-one-vader-scene-is-exactly-what-lucas-wanted-to-avoid-in-rots.50045148/


    So perhaps I misread you; or perhaps you're trying to vent some real frustrations in here but pretending otherwise.
     
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  6. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

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    So you're going overboard on the basis of what I might think, rather than what I say.

    I already anticipated that you understood my position on certain arguments. And I acknowledged the double standards that we fans enjoy when it comes to violence.

    A bit of cheeky one line rhetoric might save us all a long drawn out replay, I thought.

    For my part, I still don't intend to go over it again.
     
  7. Ancient Whills

    Ancient Whills Force Ghost star 6

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    This old interview is a pretty good way, I think, to show how not to fall into the traps when making a SW movie. Its also a small glimpse into GL's thinking about creating culture, that is so fascinating to me.
     
  8. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Chiang and McCaig are so great. I'm very glad Chiang is still involved in Star Wars and is now a Vice President of Lucasfilm.
     
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  9. fastcooljosh

    fastcooljosh Jedi Master star 2

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    Isn't that video proof that George made the prequels different on purpose ?
    I ask this because a lot of people who dislike the new movies pretend to this day that he didnt know anymore how star wars should look and feel like .
     
  10. Ancient Whills

    Ancient Whills Force Ghost star 6

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    Well it's well known by now that Lucas has never been about copying himself but experimenting, he'll always do research outside of SW for inspirations even if I'm sure he has a lot of respect for McQuarrie's work in SW.
     
  11. Prisic Duskleap

    Prisic Duskleap Jedi Master star 3

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    Yes George made the prequels different on purpose and fail to see what's wrong with that. Star Wars was never meant to look and feel only a certain way. Which is why Disney has pretty much killed my passion with their SW films that lack the creative vision Lucas had.
     
  12. Slicer87

    Slicer87 Jedi Master star 4

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    I just found an example of the bandwagon effect against the PT. Found a review of the Clone Wars microseries by a cartoon reviewer named Rebeltaxi. Early in his review, he states he has watched the OT a million times but has never watched any of the PT films in their entirely, he has only seen a few posted clips online. However, this does not stop him from concluding how "we" wish the lame PT films where more like the good microseries. Really seems he has let the internet decide for him about the PT, and he probably isn't even aware of it. This is beside copying RLM by using we instead of I.
     
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  13. TheMoldyCrow

    TheMoldyCrow Jedi Master star 3

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    Sorry, but Rebeltaxi is a Youtuber who you really shouldn't take so seriously. You would know this if you looked at any of his other videos.
     
  14. Darth Downunder

    Darth Downunder Chosen One star 6

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    This one?



    Where does he make conclusions & say "we" ?
     
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  15. WebLurker

    WebLurker Jedi Master star 4

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    In all honesty, I never understood why the micro series was so great in the first place. It was long on style but really short on substance, adding nothing to the prequels, IMHO.
     
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  16. TheMoldyCrow

    TheMoldyCrow Jedi Master star 3

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    I completely disagree. Short on substance? They were 3 minutes episodes originally conceived as commercials, so of course they couldn't tell these big stories. Added nothing to the prequels? The last 5 chapters explain everything that happened right before ROTS.
     
  17. darkspine10

    darkspine10 Chosen One star 8

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    All of which is summed up in ROTS. Palpatine kidnapped by Grievous. That's about it. Actually seeing it didn't add anything. It even contradicted it highly, with the portrayal of Grievous as an uber-invicible threat, compared to his rather more cowardly film portrayal.

    And the third series featured longer episodes, of 12-15 minutes, and even the 3 minute eps flow directly between each other to create a continuous narrative.
     
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  18. TheMoldyCrow

    TheMoldyCrow Jedi Master star 3

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    How could the micro series contradict ROTS when Grievous first appeared in the micro series over a year before the film premiered? And there is still plenty the series added. It showed Obi-Wan and Anakin's relationship progress from how it was in Clones to how it was in Sith, Anakin transforming from a padawan into an apprentice, and the first major adventures told in the Clone Wars era.
     
  19. ObiWanKnowsMe

    ObiWanKnowsMe Jedi Master star 4

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    TheMoldyCrow I love the ending of the micro-series when Mace Windu damages Grievous, which explains his voice problem in ROTS
     
  20. Darth__Lobot

    Darth__Lobot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It's a bit OT, but I have to chime in and say I really like the micro-series. I think it actually does a great job of showing Obi-Wan and Anakin's relationship, has some really good character scenes of Anakin (the Ventress duel is really, really good; probably the highlight) and I love how much better (IMO) it makes the character of Grevious. Like he really was a terrifying Jedi killing bad-ass before he ran into Mace Windu.

    IIRC that series won several Emmys when it came out. I personally think it's more consistent with the PT films than the 3D series and works much better as a bridge between AOTC and ROTS (although that's partially because it's short enough that you can actually watch it between the two films :))
     
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  21. {Quantum/MIDI}

    {Quantum/MIDI} Force Ghost star 5

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    The micro series focus on the "harmonic" parts of the prequels. Just sheer raw visuals, minimalistic dialogue, music and lovely, orgasmic sound design. Personally, the micro fits way more with the PT than TCW.

    In my honest opinion, TCW felt a bit too much with the EU influence. Seriously, it's incredibly inconsistent with the PT(which since it's a cartoon, I can accept that). However, with the inclusions of the Father/Son etc etc and Mauls rebirth... It's just too much if I were to put it on the same perspective.

    At the end of the day though, both shows examine the different parts of Star Wars as a whole.
     
  22. Ancient Whills

    Ancient Whills Force Ghost star 6

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    Personally I found the 3D series did a much better job to tell such diverse range of stories that lacked with the miniseries. The portrayals of Grievous, the Jedi and their powers in the miniseries and RotS were like night and day. They acted like they were demigods or something.
     
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  23. TheMoldyCrow

    TheMoldyCrow Jedi Master star 3

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    I don't get the argument that the Jedi were overpowered in the micro series. Everything the Jedi did in the series would of fit right in with any of the prequels. Also, comparing TCW to Genndy's Clone Wars is hardly fair. The former ran for 5 seasons, with each episode being a half hour long, while the latter only had 25 episodes, which are only around 2 hours long total.
     
  24. Slicer87

    Slicer87 Jedi Master star 4

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    He makes one conclusion about the pt at 2:40, right after saying he has not watched the pt. He makes a second conclusion and a comparison between the microseries and the pt at 3:12 despite never having watched the pt. Then again, most of the cartoon reviewers have near identical worst cartoon lists. The internet is rampet with monkey see, monkey do.

    Themodlycrow, I quite agree, in fact I feel all online reviewers should not be taken seriously. Afterall, those who can't create art become critics.
     
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  25. WebLurker

    WebLurker Jedi Master star 4

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    Still didn't have a lot of substance for all that, even when strung together for DVD.

    As far as Legends is concerned, we got that in Labyrinth of Evil and with more story too boot.