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Why did Dooku keep his Jedi name but not Anakin?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by DARTH-SHREDDER, Jul 2, 2005.

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  1. DARTH-SHREDDER

    DARTH-SHREDDER Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Everybody calls Tyranus Dooku, but if you call Vader Anakin he'll chop your head off (unless you rhis son;) )
     
  2. jedimaster11

    jedimaster11 Jedi Master star 2

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    Yoda and Palpatine were the only ones to call Anakin Darth Vader during ROTS. Obi-Wan called him Anakin during their duel...

    Also, maybe Dooku never was completely devoted to the Sith way..almost like he knew he was a pawn and a fill in until Palpatine found his real apprentice.
     
  3. DARTH-SHREDDER

    DARTH-SHREDDER Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    "Yoda and Palpatine were the only ones to call Anakin Darth Vader during ROTS. Obi-Wan called him Anakin during their duel..."

    Exactly, more people called him Vader than Anakin, and I meant that in the OT he got really mad when Luke calls him Vader and everybody in the military calls Vader. But the seperatists call Tyranus Dooku.

    "Also, maybe Dooku never was completely devoted to the Sith way..almost like he knew he was a pawn and a fill in until Palpatine found his real apprentice."

    No, he didn't know he was a pawn until he was actually pawned.
     
  4. Ackbar_The_Great

    Ackbar_The_Great Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I think Dooku kept it because he didn't want others to know he was a Sith Lord. In Episode II after the duel they still didn't know he was a Sith, they just knew he fell to the darkside. Why Anakin doesn't want to be called Anakin, I don't know.
     
  5. jedi_master_ousley

    jedi_master_ousley Manager Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Dooku is in the public eye constantly, so it'd be a bit suspicious for him to go by "Darth Tyranus." Once the Empire was formed, it didn't matter that Anakin went by Darth Vader.
     
  6. jedimaster11

    jedimaster11 Jedi Master star 2

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    ^^^^good point.
     
  7. dooku-ca-choo

    dooku-ca-choo Jedi Youngling star 2

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    I don't think there's anything that says a Sith has to give up his previous identity, Palpatine keeps his even into the OT. I think it's just that Vader (and likely Maul as well) wanted to forget his past; to be born again as it were. Perhaps Dooku didn't change in his personality much when he became a Sith and didn't think his previous life was anything to be ashamed of.
     
  8. Arwen Sith

    Arwen Sith Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Anakin had to keep his fall to the dark side secret until he was ready to act, so most people called him Anakin, and Obi-wan kept doing it until the very end.

    In the PT, Vader didn't like it when Luke called him Anakin, because he kept telling himself the Anakin part of him was dead.
     
  9. DARTH-SHREDDER

    DARTH-SHREDDER Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    In episode 3 the jedi know that Dooku is a sith, because they're looking for the OTHER sith lord. Also, I'm pretty sure the jedi thought Dooku was a sith form the beggining. It's not like they assumed he as a regular dark side user.
     
  10. MaceWinduNucca

    MaceWinduNucca Jedi Youngling

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    you people seem to forget, nobody on the jedi council, or the light side of the force for that matter, knew dooku was tyrannus, they all go so used to calling dooku, count dooku, that tyrannus just wasnt right,and yoda called Anakin vader to get the point across that he was no longer Anakin
     
  11. Dark_Lady_Jada

    Dark_Lady_Jada Jedi Knight star 5

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    It was also a good cover for Dooku to be known more as a political idealist with a lightsaber than a Sith. It kept the Separatists on their toes constantly because they didn't realize he was planning on betraying them.
     
  12. DARTH-SHREDDER

    DARTH-SHREDDER Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Actually, every jedi in the galaxy knew Dooku was a sith.
     
  13. DARTH_GOLLUMSMEAGOL

    DARTH_GOLLUMSMEAGOL Jedi Master star 5

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    Dooku never really used his sith name because alot of the time he needed to keep up apearances, plus I think he was always leaning towards the darkside so there was not really a line drawn like there was with anakin
     
  14. nyjet10

    nyjet10 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Unlike Maul, Dooku was a known figure before he went to the Darkside. So he kept his name to stay hidden. In the OT people didn't know Vader was Anakin. They thought Vader was a new person. If the Senate found out Vader was Anakin they would ask why Palpatine kept one Jedi alive and his plan could have falled. Remember, the senate didn't know Palpatine was a Sith, or even what a Sith was.
     
  15. JediPloJoon

    JediPloJoon Jedi Youngling

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    I hate Vader. I'd Call him Shmi
     
  16. ZachH

    ZachH Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Very good point ousley, you sure know your star wars info.[face_peace]
     
  17. Jon_Bon_Kenobi

    Jon_Bon_Kenobi Jedi Youngling star 3

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    This isnt strictly true at the end of AOTC.
    Dooku asks Obi Wan to join him to DESTROY the Sith. He is trying to break away from the Republic with his Seperatists, and he tells Obi Wan the Republic is in the control of a Sith Lord. At the end of AOTC, Yoda says 'Joined the Darkside Dooku has' but he doesnt specifically say that they think he is one of the two Sith Lords.

    By the time ROTS comes around, yes, they know he is a Sith Lord, but at the end of AOTC, they dont necessarily know he is one of the two, or even Sidious apprentice.
     
  18. EmperorKreptis

    EmperorKreptis Jedi Youngling

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    I always thought that Dooku kept his identity to keep the Republic from finding out that they were dealing with a Sith lord instead of just a Political Idealist...(darned liberals...jk!)

    But seriously, I thought that he kept his name as a gaurd so that it would look better to his followers...
     
  19. Grand_Admiral_Grant

    Grand_Admiral_Grant Ex-Mod star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I think Dooku didnt want the separists to know that he was in fact the side-kick of the sith lord Sideous who already betrayed them once. Plus of course he had to keep up his appearance as a respecteable leader of the seperatists like said before.
     
  20. JedimasterMoon

    JedimasterMoon Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I think to fool the jedi. The jedi had probably heard of Darth Tyrannus. Anakin had done way more dirt than Dooku.
     
  21. Chaotic_Serenity

    Chaotic_Serenity Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Well, he did change his name. Darth Tyranus. However, most people knew and trusted him as Count Dooku. If you're trying to organize an establishment like the CIS in the knowledge that you're mounting it for a war effort, you want as veritable a name as you can get to draw in supporters. Tyranus was all well and good for Dooku's Sith exploits, but as the leader of the Separatists, he needed a name that would reflect prestige, trust, and recognition.

    Anakin, on the other hand, was trying to escape the life he had before, of sorts. He was shedding his time as a Jedi and rising as the leader of a new order - that of the Empire. Rather than having what he did connected to his original name, the physical transition went hand in hand with the political/emotional alliance he made to reflect the change.
     
  22. QuiGonHrafn

    QuiGonHrafn Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Where does it say he kept his name? Sidious certainly calls him Tyranus as does Jango Fett. Just because Obi Wan and Grievous call him Dooku? Nothing to suggest he kept his name in the films. The only people to call him Dooku are his ex Jedi friends and Grievous (plus Nute but that was in CLONES - before it was revealed he was a Sith). He changed his name to Tyranus. Obi Wan calls Vader Anakin in their duel. Proves nothing.
     
  23. Wolfguard

    Wolfguard Jedi Youngling star 1

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    No. Dooku says and does quite a bit to distance himself from that theory.


    1.He tells Obi-wan that the Senate is controlled by a Sith Lord.

    2.He asks Obi-wan to join him in order to "destroy the Sith."

    3.He never reveals his Sith name to anyone but Jango (who`s dead and not talkin`.) Moreover, even when Jango mentions his name to Obi-wan (and how would he know that this Tyrannus is even a Force weilder, much less a Sith Lord,) he only calls him "A man called Tyrannus," not Darth Tyrannus which could be a dead give away.

    4.Yoda only senses the "Dark Side" in him. That does not equal sensing a person who is a Sith because any Force weilder can potentially fall to the Dark Side. Falling to the Dark Side does not automatically make one a Sith. Only a Sith Lord/Master can pass on Sith knowledge to an apprentice.

    5.Between AOTC and ROTS, Dooku in the middle of a war with the Republic, a.k.a. the government he claims is controlled by "a Sith Lord."

    6.It would seem that the person who hired Jango was only a go between since there apparently is no prominant Separatist who goes by that name. No one ever refers to a Tyrannus or Darth Tyrannus in ROTS. Guess he wasn`t a person of too much importance...which is what a Sith would want you to think. ;)

     
  24. magicfann

    magicfann Jedi Youngling star 1

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    He did it so people didn't know he was a Sith, like Palpatine.
     
  25. Ghost_Jedi

    Ghost_Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    As usual Ousley is right, as is Chaotic. Dooku was tring to rally people to his cause. Recruit the planets that were still on the fence. Thus he did not want anyone to know that he was a Sith. He recruits Obi-Wan, for the same reason Vader recruits Luke. Not to destroy the Sith, but to take over the Sith.

    Also remember the Jedi do not know what Dooku's Sith name is. The only reason Yoda and Obi-Wan know it is Vader is b/c they saw Palps saying good job Lord Vader.


     
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