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Why did he talk back to vader?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by WhiskeyGold, Nov 10, 2012.

  1. WhiskeyGold

    WhiskeyGold Jedi Master star 4

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    Sorry I don't know his name but during TESB a general on the star destroyer seems to think the rebel are not on hot. After Vader says they are he tries to change Vader's mind. Ok he didn't believe it they were there but why not just go there and then later you can tell the others "I knew it. Vader is a old fart". Why risk Vader getting pissed. Guess people were not really scared of Vader
     
  2. CaptainHamYoyo

    CaptainHamYoyo Jedi Knight star 2

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    Because he's as clumsy as he is stupid.
     
  3. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The Admiral is doing a typical military thing - he doesn't really respect Vader 'cos he's not military , he learns the hard way who's in charge .
     
  4. Darth_Kiryan

    Darth_Kiryan Jedi Master star 4

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    Ozzel is one of those political Admirals. That said, he was right in raising his objections that they could actually have been smugglers on Hoth, but Vader's insistence and him knowing that the rebels would go somewhere remote, plus his experience in battle, kinda made Ozzel change his mind.

    That said, Piett is awesome.
     
  5. Deputy Rick Grimes

    Deputy Rick Grimes Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Because he was a fool
     
  6. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Ozzel wanted early "retirement", and he got it..
     
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  7. Lord Tyrannus

    Lord Tyrannus Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Because he was stupid!!!!!!
     
  8. solo77

    solo77 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Can you blame him? He just didn't want to have to land on Hoth and freeze his 'wampas' off......... :D
     
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  9. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost star 6

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    The Empire's resources are stretched thin enough as it is! They gotta take orders from some crazy Sith priest guy to run down a frozen iceball in an uncharted settlement? Move the whole damn fleet, no less! A good officer would wait for more concrete evidence before running off with gawd-knows how many Imperial troops to some random settlement that probably isn't the stupid rebels anyway. Which is why he brought the fleet so close out of the system, they had actual work to do and it was probably just some smugglers! It's all Vader's fault!
     
  10. Trask Ulgo

    Trask Ulgo Jedi Padawan star 3

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    It seems to me that a lot of the military members did not respect Vader.Some were vocal about it,while others were smart and feared for their lives.
     
  11. Kenneth Morgan

    Kenneth Morgan Chosen One star 5

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    Or, he was just doing what any good officer would do: provide a reasonable alternative when he feels it's appropriate. If he'd been talking to another officer, it might've been OK. But, he was talking to Lord Vader on one of his obsessive quests. All you say in that situation is, "Yes, Lord Vader," and stay out of his way.
     
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  12. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It wasn't Ozzel talking back that cost him his life; it was the ineptitude he demonstrated by bringing the fleet out of hyperspace where the Rebels could spot it. Two different things, and all. :p

    Edit: I think I'm going to watch TESB tonight after talking about this.
     
  13. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

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    Didn't the Rebels put the shield up the moment they knew about the Imperial probe droid? So, no matter what Ozzel did, there would have been "an energy field protecting an area of the 6th planet of the Hoth system" when the Executor arrived.
     
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  14. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    True. Still, Vader doesn't know that, plus we do see that the rebels do in fact detect the Imperial fleet coming out of hyperspace-"General, we have a fleet of Star Destroyers coming out of hyperspace in sector 7." Presumably if they'd come out further away this wouldn't have happened. Sure, the shield would still have been up, but it obviously wasn't Vader's intent to vaporize Echo Base-he wanted Luke alive, not in atoms :p
     
  15. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

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    It's possible that the shield is power intensive enough that they only put it up at the last minute- and that if Star Destroyers get close enough- they can pinpoint the generator and blow it up before the shield goes up. Still, I'm not sure how Vader was planning to sneak his way in. Star Destroyers are pretty huge with massive engines.

    I'm not sure if they'd know the droid was destroyed- if the last bit of the recording had the fight with Han & Chewie they would- but if not- they might be unaware the droid was caught.
     
  16. -NaTaLie-

    -NaTaLie- Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I guess Ozzel and other admirals didn't understand why Vader was so obsessed with searching remote systems instead of trying to kill the Rebellion by taking out their fleet and taking control of the anti-Imperial systems. He also didn't believe that the Rebels were actually stupid enough to continue hiding on one of the remote systems even after the Death Star went kaboom.
     
  17. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Because you weren't going to ever defeat the Rebellion by trying to engage their fleet. Gotta take out the leadership.
     
  18. -NaTaLie-

    -NaTaLie- Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Vader wasn't there for the leadership.
     
  19. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Sure, he was there for Luke. Although I'm sure he didn't plan on letting Mothma et al live past the end of the war, either. Plus of course the attack on Echo Base has always been painted as terribly disruptive for the Rebellion, and rightfully so.
     
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  20. TtheForceHurts

    TtheForceHurts Jedi Master star 4

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    I think that the main issue was that Piett found the base and not him.
     
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  21. STARKILLER365

    STARKILLER365 Jedi Youngling

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  22. Felicia

    Felicia Jedi Youngling star 2

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    It appeared as though many persons did not respect "Lord Vader" as we see the Imperial Military ask him to stop trying to scare them with his "ancient" religion.The way it seemed at times is Vader did not receive a lot of respect because the Emperor is the one that they feared most. Vader went from being the Chosen One to Palpatines Yes Man. It is no wonder the Imperial Generals did not respect him.
     
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  23. Yoda118

    Yoda118 Jedi Youngling

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    i am new to forums & i am a proper geek sooooo can anyone explain what i have to do
    :)
     
  24. Order66Survivor

    Order66Survivor Jedi Knight star 1

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    I never understood this though. I would fear the **** out of a being who could kill me with his mind