CT Why did Obi-Wan choose to appear to Luke after he had almost become Wampa lunch?

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  1. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    Isn't when Luke is lying freezing to death in a pile of snow a with multiple Wampa injuries kind of an awkward moment to appear to your former apprentice and tell him that he has to go to the Dagobah system? Now you could argue, "Hey, maybe Ben has no control over when he can Force Ghost appear" but I can shenanigans on that one since Ben has appeared at incredibly convenient times before and after that ("Blow up the Death Star, Luke!" "Hey, Yoda, let poor Luke learn to be a Jedi!" "Here's that lie that I told you about Anakin Skywalker...").

    Now, movie-wise, it works great - is this Luke dying and going crazy in his final moments? That makes sense. But, geez, Ben why would you tell Luke to go to the Dagobah system after he's been almost eaten alive? Can't you appear while Luke is having a hot coca or when he's changing power converters on his X-Wing or just before he ducks out to use the bathroom or something? It's not as if Luke needed to be bossed around and giving a travel plans while he's lying halfway to death in Hoth's snowfield? Besides, Han showed up literally seconds later!
  2. kubricklynch Jedi Grand Master

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    Good point. I also don't know why he waited the three years or whatever between movies. Probably should have told Luke about Yoda right after he died. Or before, considering he must have known there was a good chance he wouldn't make it out of the Death Star.
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  3. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    I can kinda buy that maybe Luke had to have time to develop, or maybe Yoda had to be ready, or maybe Ghost Ben was appearing at Yoda's hut every day going "train Luke." "No." "Train Luke!" "No! Too old!" But why, oh why, would be pick post-Wampa mauling to start bossing him around? Maybe Yoda finally said "Maybe" so Ghost Ben pops over to Hoth the second that happened, it just happened to be at an incredibly inconvenient time.
  4. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    Maybe it's because he was so near death, it made it possible for him to appear to Luke that first time. After that we see on Dagobah, a planet that seems to have a very strong connection to the force, and at the end of Jedi, where he is a fully fledged Jedi having completed his journey.

    The near death aspect may be what opens that door. Just my own little take.
  5. TheAvengerButton Jedi Grand Master

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    Perhaps he just thought it was the right time to do so, as in, he feels Luke is finally ready to train to become a Jedi.
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  6. Saintheart Chosen One

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    One possibility: it's partly to give Luke direction, partly to help Han find him. Note how Luke is motionless until Ben rouses him from unconsciousness. Luke reaches out towards Ben's fading image, which is when we first see Han on the Wampa. Is it possible that if Ben hadn't appeared, causing Luke to make a physical movement, that Han might well have rode straight past him by accident, not seeing the guy half-buried in the snow?
  7. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    That's a good point. It does act to save him.
  8. Skelter Jedi Master

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    Perhaps becoming a force ghost is not as easy as you guys think.
    Maybe it took him years to learn how to do that.
  9. janstett Force Ghost

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    Bad signal reception in the Wampa's cave?

    We see Luke learn how to force-pull his light saber under duress in the wampa lair... In fact I think this is the first force pull we ever see on film. Maybe that was something Obi-Wan was waiting for.
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  10. Son of a Bith Force Ghost

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    I like this. Plus, what is time like on the "other side"?

    Also, maybe it was easier for Luke to see Obi-Wan, or for Obi-Wan to manifest to Luke, because Luke was close to death at that point.
  11. Ambervikings91 Jedi Master

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    because it worked well in the film :)
  12. CloneUncleOwen Force Ghost

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    Because they couldn't get the effects right in the original scene, which had Obi-Wan appearing while
    Luke was sitting on the toilet back at Echo Base.
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  13. topgoalscorer_no11 Force Ghost

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    I always thought that Luke was struggling to properly connect with the force in any real way -

    it took emotional extremity and the nearness of death to enable him to reach a spiritual catharsis powerful enough for Obi-Wan to get through to him.
  14. EHT New Films Manager

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    Yes, well said. The time was right for telling Luke about Yoda and Dagobah, but contacting Luke that way right then was actually just a part of saving Luke's life... which Obi-Wan helped to do using the Force and Han.

    Check out this thread: http://boards.theforce.net/threads/is-han-solo-subconsciously-force-sensitive.50011493/

    Maybe the Force caused both of these threads to appear at the same time. :p
  15. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    Lot of these answers work, so Han would find him since he was yelling "Ben!" and maybe Luke didn't have enough Force-Fu to actually see Ben until he had the ability to yank his lightsaber. (Of course, he was hearing Old Ben in his head when he blew up the Death Star and all but maybe him "seeing" Ben is harder than hearing him. Or, heck, maybe Luke was really one with the Force when he was blowing up the Death Star and never quite reached that again until he almost became a Wampa snack.)
  16. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    Obi-Wan was partying it up too much.
  17. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    4 years of afterlife shenanigans is a hellova bender for Old Ben to be up to, don't you think?
  18. Granger Jedi Grand Master

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    Perhaps Obi Wan had been trying to communicate with Luke all along and it took a near death experience for Luke to finally hear the call. That would be in keeping with a lot of religious experience. Maybe Obi Wan just knew that this would be a good time when he would be alone and he could get his attention. From a story telling perspective it certainly works well to place the call to adventure right there after the anxiety of his escape from the Wampa cave.
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  19. Lord Chazza Force Ghost

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    Luke was always almost always alone or if not alone then cut off from everyone else when Obi Wan contacted him.
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  20. Aaronaman Jedi Grand Master

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    I'm pretty sure it was done that way to show that Luke was still unsure about the force...did he see Ben or was he just delirious from his?

    ......or he was just one of those 'awkward' moment type of guys
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  21. Lars_Muul Chosen One

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    Maybe he'd tried talking to Luke on several occasions for the past three years, but Luke was too preoccupied to listen - or he simply didn't get it.

    OBI-WAN: Luke! Luke!
    LUKE: Ben? Hey, what's up?
    OBI-WAN: You must go to the-
    WEDGE: Luke! Could you give me a hand with my astromech?
    LUKE: Yeah, sure! Hang on, Ben, I gotta go help him out.

    -------------------------------------------

    OBI-WAN: Luke! Luke! Wake up, Luke!
    LUKE: Wha- *yawns* Ben?
    OBI-WAN: I need you to listen to me. This is very important.
    LUKE: *drowsily* Sure, Ben. What's happening?
    OBI-WAN: You must go to Dagobah. There, you will-
    LUKE: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
    OBI-WAN: *sighs*

    --------------------------------------------

    OBI-WAN: Luke! Luke!
    LUKE: Beeeeeeeen! How are ya? Do you want a drink?
    OBI-WAN: No, thank you *rolls eyes* Luke, this is the third time I've been trying to talk to you. It is imperative that you listen to me!
    LUKE: I'm sorry, Ben, I've just been so busy. I've got time now, though. I'm all yours. What did you want to tell me?
    OBI-WAN: I want you to go to Dagobah.
    LUKE: Day-go-baa? What's that, some kind of spa?
    OBI-WAN: No, Luke, it's-
    HAN: Heeey, Luke! There you are! I've been looking for you all night! Great party, huh?
    LUKE: I should say so! You see that girl over by the jukebox?
    HAN: Yeah? Wait! You didn't...?
    LUKE: *huge grin* I did!
    HAN: You dog!
    OBI-WAN: I guess I'll come back later, then...
    LUKE: Sure thing, Ben!


    So, as Luke lay there in the snow, he seized the moment!
    Seriously, though, I'd say that, given the circumstances, the idea that Luke needed to be near death has its merits. Maybe Luke hadn't been so much in tune with the Force since the battle of Yavin.
    On the other hand, it appears as though Luke has managed to learn a few things since ANH. He wouldn't have been able to do that if he hadn't been in tune with the Force.





    - The Force is with you, young Skywalker!
    - I've become more powerful than any Jedi!

    /LM
  22. Doctor Cornelius Evazan Jedi Youngling

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    I think, to Yoda, his strong will was proven by his survival , and Yoda gave Ben the o.k. to to send Luke to him. Yoda was always skeptical of Luke. He was still feeling him out. Once Ben got the o.k. he spoke to him as soon as possible to strengthen his will to survive.
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  23. benknobi1 Chosen One

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    I think it was in part Lucas foreshadowing the reason why Luke had to go to Dagobah.
  24. Chainmail_Jedi Jedi Master

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    this makes sense
  25. Teaviex Cue Jedi Master

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