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PT Why did the Jedi Council push Anakin to watch Palpatine?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Slowpokeking, Mar 16, 2013.

  1. Sistros

    Sistros Jedi Master star 6

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    but to some it is a big deal,

    it's an invasion of privacy.

    And as I said, having a high midichlorian count is hardly illegal or proof enough he's up to no good.

    What Anakinfan said.
     
  2. Lord Chazza

    Lord Chazza Jedi Master star 4

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    I never said Palpatine would refuse Midi-Chlorian screening. Your confusing what I'm saying with what someone else is saying.
     
  3. lbr789

    lbr789 Jedi Knight star 1

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    [face_hypnotized]
    Well, this thread is spinning out of control.
     
  4. Lord Chazza

    Lord Chazza Jedi Master star 4

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    Chewie, take the professor into the back and plug him into the hyperdrive. ;)
     
  5. Slowpokeking

    Slowpokeking Jedi Master star 5

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    I don't think you really understand well.

    The Jedi aren't going to just take a midichlorian screening, they are clearly going to do something after the result come out. And many senators and military officials don't trust the Jedi would give the true answer. The Senators aren't stupid, the biggest possibility they could think of, is "The Jedi are going to make us potential enemies base on our midi count" or even "They are going to frame us!" So Palpatine and his allies could easily let this become a huge mess.

    It's just like if someone comes in, ask about your personal and family information. It does not mean that's all he is going to do, he clearly will do something base on the info you give him.
     
  6. lbr789

    lbr789 Jedi Knight star 1

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    Sometimes I just don't understand human behavior! ;)
     
  7. Jcuk

    Jcuk Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Let's just agree to diagree
     
  8. Valairy Scot

    Valairy Scot Backpacking One Pack a Day Mod of New Films star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    SOME would deny the request for "invasion of privacy" reasons and probably without a "search warrant" the Jedi could not force the issue.

    I also assume some parents did not allow for midi-screening of their newborns - I'm not sure it's been established one way or the other if such is mandatory in Republic worlds.
     
  9. Darth Venator

    Darth Venator Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Some interesting points in this thread for sure.

    The Midichlorians are always going to be a source of argument as long as Star Wars shall exist, but hey - a good debate isn't so bad!

    I'm intrigued by the talk about Midi-testing Palpatine, and I'm sure my post will mirror a lot of what has been said anyway but here's my thoughts...

    Blood testing Palpatine would NEVER have been an option. Defenders of The Republic or not, the Jedi aren't the most favourable of types at times... Imagine the political ramifications of them trying to test Palpatine's blood?

    Palpatine has most of the senate in the palm of his hand, he could turn them against the Jedi in seconds. Something which the Jedi would've likely been aware of - instantly deterring them from making such an obvious accusation.

    Plus - suspicious of Palps or or not, there is still an air of surprise throughout the council when Sidious is revealed... This suggests to me that there simply wasn't enough distrust to warrant a DNA test in the first place.

    But, what if they had tested his blood? Well, this could pan out in several different ways...

    1) Assuming he'd learnt something from Plagueis - he could potentially alter his midichlorian count, or at least give the illusion of a low count to slip by undetected.

    2) They test his blood, the count is huge. Then what? So they're looking for a Sith Lord and Palpy's blood fits the profile... It's still not proof!

    E.g... If you knew a murderer had ginger hair, you couldn't simply accuse the first redhead you come across.

    So they'd still need to catch him in the act/spy on him.

    3) The man is a master of deception and manipulation. He could quite easily feign ignorance to the whole thing, and could likely convince a lot of people of his innocence.



    Next... Why choose Anakin to spy on him? Simple, logical... He was the closest Jedi to Palpatine so he already had a foot in the door.

    Yes, at first look it seems wrong to send Skywalker - but don't forget that Anakin wasn't a master at this point. Sending him to spy on his 'friend' seems like something of a test of his will... Had he succeeded, a seat on the council would've been his. But he failed, and things got very messy indeed.

    I put no blame on the Jedi for this at all though... Every move they made was down to Sidious/Palpatine's manipulation of events. He is after all, a true master of the Dark Side, with insurmountable power and control.Their vision was clouded and they acted in response to all the traps he'd set them... He used Anakin to control their decisions to great effect - and they rose to the bait. They were played perfectly, as was Anakin as were the Senate and generally everyone else that came into contact with him. His long game started the moment he killed Plagueis - everything else was just progress for him, necessary steps towards his goal.

    ...Simply put - the answer to every question regarding the PTs is that 'Palpatine was behind it' :p
     
  10. ILNP

    ILNP Jedi Knight star 1

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    Tatooine is outside of the Republic's law therefore the Jedi (or any Republic agency) has no jurisdiction there.
     
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  11. The Supreme Chancellor

    The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Master star 4

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    Actually the Senators ARE pretty stupid. As seen when they voted to become an Empire run by a tyrant.
     
  12. Saintheart

    Saintheart Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    In addition, the crawl text from TPM doesn't say the Jedi send Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon in. Quite the opposite, it's the Chancellor who sends them in -- to mediate and settle the dispute, at the Chancellor's request. The Jedi seem to be an order that's semi-detached from the Republic, they're not under the Chancellor's direct authority. They're more or less neutral, or meant to stay neutral anyway - "Peacekeepers, not soldiers".
     
  13. Lord Chazza

    Lord Chazza Jedi Master star 4

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    Source?
     
  14. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 9

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    We have Shmi saying "The Republic doesn't exist out here" though that might be "practical" rather than "in law". We also have Qui-Gon and Panaka's conversation on the way to Tatooine in TPM, in which one says "It's controlled by the Hutts".

    Add in Watto's "Republic credits are no good out here. I need something of value!"
     
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  15. Saintheart

    Saintheart Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    And indeed Qui-Gon's indication to Shmi that "Had he been born in the Republic, we [the Jedi] would have identified him early." The implication being that Tatooine is not within the Republic. The Republic also had anti-slavery laws; Tatooine didn't abide by them.
     
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  16. Master Elaine Nega

    Master Elaine Nega Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I guess the reason was that the Order was waay too focused on the Unifying Force, and always lived in the future, being blind towards the present. Had they been more focused in the moment, they might' ve seen that Anakin was being brainwashed, and hadn' t made that fatal mistake.
     
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  17. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 9

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    Thing is- in RoTS (especially in the novel) Anakin's "visions of the future" are portrayed as something rare, that only a few Jedi have- as well as something not to be relied on.
     
  18. AkshayTheJedi

    AkshayTheJedi Jedi Knight star 1

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    Agreed!
     
  19. Darth Dominikkus

    Darth Dominikkus Jedi Knight star 3

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    Do vaguely answer your question, Anakin was close to Palpatine. They had many doubts about him becoming power hungry and not stepping down, and they wanted to know what his future motives were. So, they assigned Anakin the role of playing the spy. Though Obi Wan may not have thought he was the wisest decision, he did admit that this was an act that needed to be done, seeing as they were at war.

    Anakin: "Spy on the chancellor? That's treason."
    Obi Wan: "We are at war Anakin..."
     
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  20. MRCynical

    MRCynical Jedi Knight star 1

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    One source (I can't remember which) suggested that they suspected Mas Amedda might be Sidious, especially when Palpatine was kidnapped which would have made Mas Amedda (if Palpatine died or could not be rescued) Supreme Chancellor.
     
  21. Valairy Scot

    Valairy Scot Backpacking One Pack a Day Mod of New Films star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    That was LOE that suggested that (some on the) Council wondered if the Sith was Amedda.
     
  22. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Force Ghost star 8

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    The Jedi Council were a bunch of meanies.
     
  23. kubricklynch

    kubricklynch Jedi Knight star 3

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  24. DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR

    DARTHVENGERDARTHSEAR Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    At that point, and not in the whole PT?
     
  25. Son of a Bith

    Son of a Bith Jedi Master star 4

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    Whole PT - that's the point I'm referring to :)