why didnt anakin rescue shmi before?

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  1. dark_charlie Jedi Youngling

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    why didnt anikin freed hes mother before? why didnt he even returned to tatooine before the nightmares?
    this doesnt make any sence.
    i have no theories on this matter... does anyone has?
  2. jacemathem Force Ghost

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    Maybe because Jedi are not supposed to go after their mothers?
    Maybe because Obi-Wan wouldn't allow it?

    Anakin did say once he was charged with escorting Padme to Naboo that it was his first assignment on his own, meaning that he was ALWAYS by Obi-Wan's side, and what Jedi sits around the Temple doing nothing? The life of a Jedi is tough and very VERY busy. So most likely, for the 10 years between The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones, Anakin and Obi-Wan have been working non-stop. When Anakin disobeys Obi-Wan in Episode II is probably the only time he's ever done it, since the nightmares were becoming so severe.

    My theory ^ [face_mischief]
  3. Alixen Force Ghost

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    He'll most likely have been on Ansion just after the dreams started, so he wouldnt have been able to get to Tatooine anyway.

    Plus as is said above Obi-Wan wouldnt have let him go, and if he had disobayed him he would have been thrown out of the Order.

    Bear in mind Jedi visions are never certain, if they are even visions at all, he could verywell have gone to save her and she be fine and then got expelled, he needed to be certain first, and that last vision on Naboo finally made him snap. :(

    jacemathem: If you follow the EU you pick things up, even if they arnt really cannon, Anakin and Obi-Wan are rarley even back at the Jedi Temple, let alone having time to dwell :) at least according to the Jedi Quest books, so you are very right
  4. fosh-bantus88 Jedi Master

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    back in TPM, anakin should have traded jar jar and C3p0 for shmi.
  5. Leias_love_slave Jedi Grand Master

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    That was my first question before the movie even hit the theaters:

    Why wouldn't Anakin be obsessed with liberating his mother from a life of SLAVERY and gone back for her long ago?

    I decided to accept the story I was being told and not worry about that aspect.

    If there's a GOOD explanation out there, I'd like to hear it. :)
  6. dark_charlie Jedi Youngling

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    and if the republic has anti-slavery laws, then why didn´t obi asked the counsil to take action on tatooine? doesnt make any sence. exposing the situation and taking action would be the most sensible thing to do. how can the keepers of peace in the GALAXY keep their eyes shut on that matter?
  7. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    Because Tatooine isn't part of the Republic. It's owned by the Hutts. As such, the Republic doesn't have anymore rights to do something about it (on a large scale, policy level, I mean--although conceivably someone could just buy Shmi then free her) than a country would to arbitrarily take over another.
  8. Leias_love_slave Jedi Grand Master

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    Ten year old Anakin: "Master Yoda, my mother is living a life of slavery back on my home planet of Tatooine. Can't we help her?"

    Yoda: "Sorry, young padawan. The resources to buy her freedom, we have not."

    *both glance around at their palatial surroundings.*

    Anakin: Oh.
  9. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    It would hav ebeen counter-productive for the Jedi to do it. The only conceivable logic they would have for it is that one of their students has a relationship with her--which is forbidden in the first place. So it would have been self-defeating for them to do anything.
  10. Leias_love_slave Jedi Grand Master

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    Ten year old Anakin: "Master Yoda, my mother is living a life of slavery back on my home planet of Tatooine. Can't we help her?"

    Yoda: "Sorry, young padawan. Counter-productive, it would be. The 'justice' that dedicated we are to upholding, applys not, where people you actually care about are concerned. Screwed, your mother is.

    *awkward silence*

    Anakin: Oh.
  11. Delorean_Kenobi Force Ghost

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  12. Darth_Meul Jedi Master

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    Do you think Shmi's slavery is the most critical violent offence in the GFFA (counting 10.000+ systems)? And if you free Schmi, what about all the other slaves on Tatooine? What should happen to slave-owners, and the slave-trade in general, so they don't start again?
  13. dark_charlie Jedi Youngling

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    man, thats just stupid... people living in slavery and you think about the poor slave traders and owners??

    so what if tatooine istnt part of the republic... thats not the point. the point is the jedi are the keepers of peace in the galaxy, not just protectors of the republic, they protect it but they are not controled by it.

    i still see no good reason for not freeing the slaves...
  14. PMT99 Force Ghost

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    Because the Jedi don't force people to bow down to their wishes (which is what the Sith are known for).
  15. Lord_Hydronium Manager Emeritus

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    so what if tatooine istnt part of the republic... thats not the point.

    Actually, that's exactly the point. Just like a nation on Earth can't just go barging into other nations' affairs if they don't like the way they run things, neither can the Republic overstep its authority and exert its will upon everyone, whether they like it or not. It's politics: it's not always right or pretty, but it's the way things work. If the Republic starts imposing itself on any planet, whether they like it or not, it's no better than the Empire (and becomes it, in fact).

    the point is the jedi are the keepers of peace in the galaxy, not just protectors of the republic, they protect it but they are not controled by it.

    The Jedi work for the Republic, and are subject to its decisions and regulations. Lucas definitely is making a point that the Jedi are too caught up in the bureaucracy of the Republic, and that's why things like the invasion of Naboo are allowed to happen (it had to take a secret and possibly illegal act by the Supreme Chancellor to get the Jedi involved there).
  16. Darth_Meul Jedi Master

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    man, thats just stupid... people living in slavery and you think about the poor slave traders and owners??

    Why do you think slave traders and owners are "poor"? I'm talking about bringing them to justice. If you free one slave, that's just a drop of water on a hot plate, and pretty hypocritical. If you don't solve the problem by the root, freeing one slave will just result in another being enslaved. If you're going to do something about it, do it good - do or do not, remember?

    If you free one slave only because it's related in family to a Jedi, it's giving higher priority to Jedi-members, and reeks of possessiveness. How very Jedi-like ...
  17. dark_charlie Jedi Youngling

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    what i meant is that there is no need for slave traders and owners. they shouldnr just free shmi, they should free all.

    jedi dont bow people to their wishes(thats whar the sith do)

    ????

    can u please tell me what is slavery?? is having control over ppl against their will. and im saying the jedi should end it.
  18. Billy_Dee_Binks Force Ghost

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    I too thought about this when I saw it but I guess it's because Shmi knew where her place was. She wanted to stay on Tatooine.

  19. dark_charlie Jedi Youngling

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    why? why did she wanna stay there?

    i dont get your POV, im sorry.

    can u explain why?
  20. Leias_love_slave Jedi Grand Master

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    The point is, the Jedi had TEN YEARS to free Anakin's mother from SLAVERY. Even if Anakin was forbidden to have a close relationship with her, you would think he would have wanted his mother to be free.

    I don't think it would be difficult, on compassionate grounds, for the Jedi to throw some money at Watto, and arrange for her to live somewhere where she could be free.

    The only reason I can see for abandoning her was that it sets up the story. I find it puzzling, but I can live with it. ;)
  21. Darth_Meul Jedi Master

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    I don't think it would be difficult, on compassionate grounds, for the Jedi to throw some money at Watto, and arrange for her to live somewhere where she could be free.

    What about the other slaves on Tatooine? Or the dancers aka Rancorfood of Jabba the Hutt? They don't deserve to be free because they don't have family in the Jedi-order?
  22. Leias_love_slave Jedi Grand Master

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    The other slaves aren't Anakin's MOMMY.
  23. Rebel Scumb Jedi Grand Master

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    this is definitely the most problematic element of AOTC
  24. Darth_Meul Jedi Master

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    Nah, such a thing doesn't need to spoil the experience. ESB had something similar with Han forgetting for three years he had a price on his head. In ANH, he had a price on his head, with bounty hunters coming after him in bars, yet when he earned the money to pay off his debts, he (presumably) wasted the money on booze in the DS-destruction afterparty. If you ignore that, ESB is still entertaining.
  25. Leias_love_slave Jedi Grand Master

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    I used to think about that one too. [face_laugh]

    Han could have hit Leia up for some cash, paid his debt to Jabba, but then we'd have less drama for Han's character. So, I shrug and say "Okay. For whatever reason, he neglected his finances."

    Actually, Han being fiscally irresponsible makes him easy for me to relate to. 8-}
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