CT Why didn't Lucas tell Prowse his voice would not be used in the beginning?

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  1. Slowpokeking Jedi Grand Master

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    I think he should have made it clear so Prowse would not need to waste so much time to prepare for the lines, he could just throw it out like he did in ESB and RotJ.
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  2. Darth Eddie Jedi Grand Master

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    It seems obvious to me that if your costume includes a bucket over your head, that whatever lines you say are un-usable in any mix. Maybe Prowse just missed the train.
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  3. Bobatron Jedi Grand Master

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    I've heard this. I think Carrie Fisher mentioned it, but I never knew it was something he really didn't know.
  4. MOC Yak Face Moderator, Classic Trilogy

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    Darth Vader and a West Country accent seem quite obviously not to be a good combination. George may have thought that this would be obvious. Obviously not.:p
  5. Granger Jedi Grand Master

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    Because it went without saying. If you're wearing a helmet and they haven't made any plans to fly you stateside to loop dialog you should not be surprised when you see the movie and its been dubbed with someone else's voice. Is Prowse really that dumb or is he being a bit false when he makes that claim?
  6. Darth Ridiculis Jedi Master

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    The behind the scenes clips of Prowse saying his lines from inside the helmet are hilarious. Makes Vader look like a court jester.
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  7. Hansa Jedi Master

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    In filmmaking, actors behind masks don't keep their lines until/unless called in for re-recording. They are for pacing reference. If he had asked George when he was coming back to re-record his lines, he would have known. But obviously he didn't.

    Ray Park wasn't offended when his lines were replaced by Peter Serafinowicz. And he wasn't wearing a mask. He knew that his voice wasn't right for a Lord of the Sith and accepted it. For Prowse, a man with the demeanor of a bodybuilder and the vocal acting talent of a monkey... well, that's something to consider. Even I could do a better Sith than David Prowse vocally. Big respect for him as a physical actor... but vocally he is weak.

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  8. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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    I don't think he's all that great as a physical actor in ANH, actually. :p Far better in TESB, where he has a distinct economy of motion...and Bob Anderson took that to a whole nother level with his performance in the TESB duel:

  9. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    I think Lucas was so incredibly all-up-in-his-head while making the movie, he probably didn't consider it while on set. He was just trying to get the flick shot before his heart exploded or whatever. That sounds like a post-filming decision to me.
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  10. solo77 Force Ghost

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    That and GL is not the greatest 'people person' ever.
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  11. Darth_Nub Saga, Classic Trilogy and Film Music Manager

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    That said, Prowse was magnificent in ROTJ as the physical presence of Darth Vader - when the man in the iron mask & suit finally has to act. Vader's genuine conflict had to be conveyed, and I think Prowse really did step up to the mark, particularly in the Throne Room scenes.
    It's one of the main reasons I hate the new addition of that idiotic "NOOOOO!!!!" in ROTJ - during the end of that climactic scene, Vader isn't even speaking (so you can't credit it to JEJ), everything comes down to the body language of Darth Vader transforming from a machine back into a human being, particularly in the movement of his head as he watches his son being killed by his evil master, not to mention retreating, and then collapsing like a broken old man under the weight of Luke's vicious assault upon him.

    Prowse truly excelled in the role at that point, and it's a real shame that GL deemed it fit to mute his brilliant efforts with such blatant overkill nearly 30 years later.
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  12. Aegon Starcaster Jedi Grand Master

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    Almost 30 years after Prowse leaks the end of ROTJ, he still can't catch a break:oops: At least GL can't do any further damage to his performance. Hopefully he can't anyway.
  13. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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    There's always the possibility it'll be removed; he did so with Luke's TESB No. I personally don't mind it much, as over my mondo speakers speakers it's less Vader hollering No and more the growl of an angry demigod ( :p ) but I wouldn't mind if it was gone.
  14. SlashMan Jedi Grand Master

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    Going back to the first post, he had to memorize his lines just like everyone else. Otherwise, there would be nothing to go by when it came to dubbing over him, and the other actors would have a harder time communicating.

    In my opinion, Prowse gave a more lively performance in ANH; not knowing his voice would be dubbed over may have helped. He seemed more mechanical in Empire. It's been said that after ANH, Prowse simply recited his lines in a monotone fashion. Guess he was a little bit angry...

    I honestly don't think Lucas intended to embarrass him by not telling him. I think he just assumed he would know that his lines were unusable in the final film.
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  15. TX-20 Jedi Grand Master

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    I love the man, but Prowse's voice is not Sith material.
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    Edit: I thought Prowse filmed some of the scenes and and left during production...
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  17. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    With ROTJ? The story I heard was that he was only used for the scenes prior to the duel and the throne room scenes were done with Anderson, from the time Vader and Luke enter to when Sidious was slam dunked down the reactor shaft.
  18. Darth_Nub Saga, Classic Trilogy and Film Music Manager

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    Really? Oh well, all credit to Bob Anderson.
  19. Darth Raiden Jedi Grand Master

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    Bob Anderson is the unsung hero imo
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  20. Darthbane2007 Force Ghost

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    Maybe there was the possibility that they considered using Prowse's voice initially?
  21. JediKnightOB1 Force Ghost

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    Look at all of the X-Wing pilots who had their voices dubbed with American actors. I don't hear "Porkins" moaning about his voice.
  22. gezvader28 Force Ghost

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    just been reading Prowse's autobiography , he worked very little on ROJ , he says most days he just sat there and watched Bob Anderson playing Vader , he also says he was pretty much ostracised 'cos Lucas and Marquand thought he'd been leaking details to the press .
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  24. Bobatron Jedi Grand Master

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    Has anyone noticed David Prowse didn't use that accent in A Clockwork Orange?
  25. Aaronaman Jedi Grand Master

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    With all the rumours flying around regarding the bad blood between Mr. Lucas and Mr. Prowse its hard to know what to believe....I've always been leaning towards Team Lucas though because with a lot of the comments I've read that have come from Dave he seems to be the one who has an axe to grind.
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