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PT Why didn't Lucasfilm have Jedi/Sith use new Force Powers?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Sitara, May 13, 2013.

  1. Slash78

    Slash78 Jedi Master star 3

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    But they WANT cartoon-ish displays.

    Please, no post-Dark Empire Uber-Jedi. All it will do is turn most fans off.
     
  2. Sitara

    Sitara Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Actually, it ought to be the Sith who have lots of offensive Force Powers at their disposal. Including, for the most powerful among them, the power to annihilate entire army's, if not entire systems and all their related planets, using the Force. (the last should take a lot of time to put into motion though, say by telekinetic ally moving a star into a system and causing it to implode/explode via the Dark Side)

    The Jedi should only use the Force for defence most of the time. Thus they use lightsabers and minor Force tricks like push/pull. Their major powers only come into play when facing Sith; they use the Lightside to negate all effects of the Dark Side. Thus, the Light Side is the shield that protects the galaxy against the Sith and the Dark Side, and it is why the Sith only need to remove the Jedi to take over.Everything else is just details. Since their powers cancel each other out, Jedi and Sith thus then switch to Lightsabers to ensure an outcome and end the stalemate.

    We kinda saw something like this in AOTC with Dooku vs Yoda. Dooku used the Dark Side to attack Yoda, and Yoda used the Light Side to defend. Neither was getting anywhere, so they switched to sabers. Tyrannus even highlights this with a spoken dialogue.
     
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  3. Sitara

    Sitara Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    While I loathe the EU with a passion, I have to call you out here: what uber Jedi? What exactly have the Jedi done post ROTJ that makes them uber? They got the crap beaten out of them by the Vong, which are a ridiculous opponent. Not to mention those big cats (voxen) that tore through Jedi and had them terrified.

    Luke is shown to be good in Lightsaber combat yes, but nothing that couldn't have been done by any of the Masters in the PT.
     
  4. CaptainHamYoyo

    CaptainHamYoyo Jedi Master star 2

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    If the Radio Dramas are to be believed, then Bail gave Leia a 2 part mission: retrieve the Death Star plans, and to go to Tatooine to enlist General Kenobi's help.

    I think the poster who said that the droids ended up on Luke's doorstep didn't mean figuratively(as in his planet), but quite literally his actual doorstep. The Jawas captured the droids, and brought them to the Lars homestead. A different astromech droid was bought, but malfunctioned. Some would call it luck, others would call it the will of the Force.
     
  5. SithStarSlayer

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    Sitara

    even though he wasn't in DE, Kyle Katarn's middle name is Uber.;)
     
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  6. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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    Luke has done quite of stuff the Masters in the PT could only dream of doing.
     
  7. Sitara

    Sitara Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Haha, yes, but even Kyle Katarn never really used any force power the PT Jedi or Sith did not, with the sole exception of Force Destruction. (would have loved to see it in the PT)

    Also, I still to this day wish they would do another sequel to Jedi Knight, but this time hold the Dark Side ending as cannon. Also, live action hawt scenes with Sariss. [face_devil]
     
  8. Sitara

    Sitara Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Again, it's the EU. However, can you give any detailed examples? (remember, I don't follow the EU much at all, mostly just read summaries on wookiepedia)

    The biggest thing I know of Luke having done is the Jedi 'Meld' wherein he cut through many Vong.
     
  9. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    In Dark Empire (before actually going dark) we see Luke deflect bolts from an AT-AT with his lightsaber- then use telekinesis to bring it crashing to the ground.
     
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  10. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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    if you read summaries , then you don't need any examples. Luke reached the potential of Anakin and has probably surpassed it, but if you aren't into EU, I won't waste my time listing Luke's achievements.
     
  11. SithStarSlayer

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  12. Rawne

    Rawne Jedi Knight star 2

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    Because films aren't videogames.
     
  13. Slash78

    Slash78 Jedi Master star 3

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    Let's see. How many massive "Force Storms" where there? "Force portals". A group of apprentices pushing a fleet of Star Destroyers away from Yavin. Pulling the Suncrusher from the center of a Gas Giant. Being able to disembody the consciousness of a Jedi Master. I'm not going to get into the NJO because nearly every time they had to use the Force is was way, way over the top comic book kind of stuff.

    The Yuuzan Vong were purposely made to be 99% resistant to Jedi powers and where made grossly overpowered to deal with the EU Uber Jedi. And frankly I'm tired of the crap of the Starkillers, Kyp Durrons, etc, all being "the most powerful force user everz!!!!!" You're not going to see Sidious, Yoda, Mace Windu, Dooku, Anakin/Vader doing that kind of stuff.

    The Emperor needed the Death Star to blow up Rebel ships. The Dark Empire Cloned Emperor needed nothing more then a Force Storm and his own range to destroy ships.
     
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  14. Slash78

    Slash78 Jedi Master star 3

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    The EU has perpetuated the Uber Jedi so long that many don't even realize they are way overpower says something.
     
  15. SithStarSlayer

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    Um, flowwalking?

    [insert exploding head gif]

    I just never....
     
  16. Slash78

    Slash78 Jedi Master star 3

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    Luke walking on lava.
     
  17. maychild

    maychild Jedi Knight star 3

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    I thought he did have the Jedi use new (as in, previously unseen) Force powers. Like the super-speed Obi Wan and Qui Gon display in the first scenes of TPM, or Anakin calming the bull-creature (I forget its exact name) through the Force in the Geonosis arena in AOTC.
     
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  18. Slash78

    Slash78 Jedi Master star 3

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    Yeah, but they weren't the Uber Powers seen a lot in the EU, especially in the timeline starting with Dark Empire.
     
  19. VanishingReality

    VanishingReality Jedi Knight star 3

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    And in I think that same book, or somewhere in JAT, he and all his students 'deflected temperature' to avoid being boiled alive in a hot spring.

    The biggest power from DE is the Sith's Force Storm. (The Jedi's force Harmony is arguably the strongest Jedi technique, but it just amounts to an uber shield).
     
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  20. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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    Luke can also fold space now iirc.
     
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  21. SithStarSlayer

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    Makes sense, when you can stroll backwards in time.
     
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  22. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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    Both skills were taught by the same group, but they are two different techniques i think.
     
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  23. Sitara

    Sitara Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Ok the Force Storm was in a comic, and old comic if I recall correctly, with bad art, so not sure if that counts.

    The apprentices force pushing SDs I recall from Darksaber, a truly horrible book, and one of them died doing it. So not really all that uber, as the rest were really drained and so couldn't keep doing it.

    Actually, TBH much of the uber stuff the jedi do in the EU seems to come from the 'meld' techniques wherein multiple jedi combine their powers. Thankfully, there is nothing like this in the movies. I really hope this is never done in the movies, as I much prefer the telepathic abilities of Force Users to be subtle and less overtly powerful than in the EU. If every Jedi could read everyone's mind and stuff like that, it would get boring fast. It should be left to sensing surface thoughts and feelings.
     
  24. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Chosen One star 7

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    I think it has been shown that all Jedi aren't good at mind reading and other telepathic abilities. Qui Gon and Obi Wan needed comlinks to keep in touch while on Tatooine.
     
  25. Sitara

    Sitara Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Well yeah, Vader only read Luke's mind when he was right in his face too.

    And/or anyway, I doubt the Jedi use the Force for every little thing. Only in emergencies, or when there is no other options. Plus, using comlinks has no risk of straining themselves.

    Oh and I just recalled 2 more Sith powers:

    Force Face: What Sidious used to keep a kindly old mans face on top of his real face
    Force Conceal: Sidious using the Dark Side to keep his true thoughts and strength in the Dark Side hidden from all Jedi for decades.