Why didn't Qui-Gon just TAKE Shmi?

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  1. darklordoftech Force Ghost

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    Even if you're returning the stolen item to its original owner? The Underground Railroad would be quite offended by your post.
  2. Reveen Jedi Grand Master

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    Why should Qui-Gon give a crap about what is and isn't Watto's property? I don't think upholding the virtues of backrocket laws regarding chattel slavery legislated by giant slugs is high on the list of Jedi priorities.

    If Batman got boom tubed to medieval France should we expect him to respect droit du seigneur?
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  3. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    It really boils down to what almost everything here ends up boiling down to. There is a subset of fans who will defend these characters no matter what they do. Yoda could commit cold blooded murder and someone here would defend it.
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  4. Crystalia Force Ghost

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    Nevermind. :p
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  5. Iron_lord Force Ghost

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    We've got an EU reference to Qui-Gon doing something, at least.
  6. SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus

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    Go back for her? Giant plot-hole?

    In case you missed it: a tiny little thing called death, got in his way.;)


    :p
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  7. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    She's not dead yet, she's getting better

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  8. Crystalia Force Ghost

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    In case you missed it: a tiny little thing called death, got in his way.;)
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    everyone who is a Star Wars fan knows there is no such thing as death in this franchise :p

    they all turn it up in the next comic/novel/video game/movie/cartoon as healthy as ever :p
  9. SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus

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    I wasn't talking about Shmi. :p
  10. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    Ah, yes I suppose Maul did put a lightsaber through his gut.

    The problem with that is, he did go back to the capital of the republic first. And apparently, did nothing. And Padme spent a decade doing nothing, and Anakin spent a decade doing nothing,. and Yoda,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and everyone.

    And force ghost Qui-Gon apparently didn't care either, like talk to Yoda and say maybe letting her rot in slavery isn't such a great thing to do?
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  11. SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus

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    In fairness to Gui Gon, he was on a mission to escort/protect the Queen... and that kept him occupied until his death.

    The others; including Padme, have no excuse.
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  12. DRush76 Force Ghost

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    Why do fans insist that Padme or the Jedi could have easily freed Padme with no consequences?
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  13. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    I don't think so, they were on Coruscant for some time while the queen argued her case to the Senate. Take five minutes to do something? Yeah, he could have done something.

    The whole situation is just a gigantic plot hole.
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  14. DRush76 Force Ghost

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    The problem is not the plot. The problem is this argument that Qui-Gon could have done something with little consequence. It's like everyone is turning a blind eye to the circumstances of Anakin and Shmi's situations as slaves on Tatooine. Many are also ignoring the difficulty Qui-Gon had in setting up Anakin's possible emancipation.
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  15. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    pure nonsense. They should fear the great and powerful Watto? All they had to do was buy her. That;s all Lars did.

    They didn't even look into it, it was a surprise to Anakin that she was ever sold. Nobody cared.\

    Fans just like to pretend that these flaws don't exist. They will work hard to explain them away. That's what these conversations boil down to 99% of the time
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  16. SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus

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    Tatooine wasn't in the Republic, it would take more than five minutes to get them a seat at the Senate's table.
    Qui Gon did the best he could, he cheated to make sure at least one of them could leave...

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    Dadgummit these films would have been WAY TOO long, if every fan-hole had to be filled.:oops:
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  17. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    He doesn't need to do that. He needs to spend five minutes telling Yoda that this boy's mother is a slave and we need to do something. The Jedi just simply don't care. They got their chosen one, to hell with her! No wonder he slaughters them.

    In fact, that probably should have been explored more, it would make his fall more believable.

    And these are not fan holes, they are a result of bad writing. You can write a tight story that does not suffer from these logic problems without it being long.
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  18. JoshieHewls Jedi Grand Master

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    It's not a flaw if it's intentional.

    Qui-Gon tries to save Shmi, but he couldn't get Watto to give her up. If he just takes her, she's dead.

    The Republic has no authority in Tatooine, so they can't just take her. Not only that, they would have no interest in bartering for her.

    The Jedi would not want to barter for her either, since they are taught to let go of their attachments. They would view Anakin's attachment to his mother as a bad thing.

    This supposed "plot hole" is more like people nitpicking just to nitpick. We're given every reason why Shmi does not go with Anakin, but it still isn't enough for people who want to push a real world agenda on a bit of fantasy.
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  19. THE PortmanLuvva Jedi Master

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    I would have laughed if the chance cube cracked and one half landed blue and the other red!
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  20. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    Being a fantasy story is not an excuse for characters acting in illogical ways. To just leave her to rot is not in line with what we are supposed to know about the Jedi.

    I can buy that there wasn't anything Jinn could do at the time. That they did nothing after the fact is a plot hole the size of Tattooine.
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  21. JoshieHewls Jedi Grand Master

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    Again, why would they do anything? Attachment is forbidden, and if they save Shmi, where do they stop? Are they just going to jump from system to system freeing every slave in the galaxy?
  22. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    OK, maybe that's the answer. That they just accept that Anakin's mother will be a slave and that's the way it should be. It would certainly be in line with Jedi who accept the use of a slave army. It would not be in line with the Jedi being the good guys we are told by Lucas that they are. They probably deserved to get cut down.

    The ultimate balance to the force, kill all of them
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  23. JoshieHewls Jedi Grand Master

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    If that's how you want to take it, that's fine. But it certainly shows that it's not a plot hole and that it's merely how not only the Jedi but how the Republic as a whole is characterized.
  24. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    It is a plot hole, unless we are meant to think that the Jedi are scumbags. We're supposed to think that they are all about compassion. Obviously, that's just a front they put up.
  25. JoshieHewls Jedi Grand Master

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    You're complaining about characterization. You don't like that the Jedi code would forbid them to save one slave to make their Jedi child apprentice happy. That's not a plot hole. In fact, the reason why they wouldn't save Shmi is shown through all three movies. "Mourn them do not, miss them do not."
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