Why didn't Qui-Gon sell Jar Jar??

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  1. ST-TPM-ASF-TNE Moderator Emeritus

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    No listen!! Jar Jar forced Qui-Gon to take him by tackling Qui-Gon in the swamp. Then he just wouldn't go away.

    Jar Jar didn't tackle Qui-Gon. Jar Jar panicked, tried to get away, then ran into Qui-Gon who saved his life. Jar Jar didn't go away afterwards because he was completely alone, and he wanted to help Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan. Remember, Jar Jar told the Jedi about the Gungan city. He only went there with the Jedi because the Jedi asked him to escort them there. And as I said before, Jar Jar didn't ask the Jedi to take him with them when they went to Theed, he only asked for them to help free him from punishment.

    Then later Qui-Gon saved Jar Jar from being executed because he's not that heartless.

    Not that heartless? Qui-Gon IS NOT heartless by any means. Would you let a good hearted creature (a creature who ultimately got you from point A to point B) be executed? I certainly hope not, because if so, I'm going to stay away from you ;)

    And if Jar Jar hadn't told Padme about the Gungan's army they would have stayed on Coruscant where it's safe. and Qui-Gon wouldn't have died!!!

    Even if Jar Jar hadn't told Padme about the Gungan army, Padme would still have attempted to take control over Naboo again anyway. And Qui-Gon died because of Maul, NOT Jar Jar.

    The question is whether or not Qui-Gon could have actually found someone willing to take Jar Jar

    No, the question is, are you actually serious about this debate? :confused:
  2. scuiggefest Jedi Master

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    Of course I'm serious. Selling Jar Jar is something any Jedi would do. In my opinion.




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  3. KosmicKnine Jedi Master

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    Selling Jar Jar is something any Jedi would do. In my opinion.

    Then it sounds like you have a great deal to learn about the concept of compassion. No one who sought compassion to be their greatest quality (like the Jedi do) would sell someone into slavery.

    And if indeed selling someone into slavery is something any Jedi would do, I'm glad Anakin killed them all. Protectors of the galaxy aren't worth much if they support slavery.
  4. Loco_for_Lucas Jedi Grand Master

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    Then again Qui-gon showed that a Jedi doesn't have to be bothered by the concept of slavery as long as there's something involved for him. He wasn't bothered in the slightest bit that Shmi was going to remain as Watto's property as long as he had her son. Mind you, this is a woman he could have potentially had feelings for, and he didn't care that she was left behind as a slave.

    So, if a Jedi (based on Qui-gon, who is supposedly the epitomy of Jedi Knighthood) was not above using the current system for his own benefit, a man who cheats at gambling, and who does not care who is left behind when he gets what he wants, why would he care if Jar Jar was left on Tatooine? Why did Shmi deserve to remain a slave?
  5. KosmicKnine Jedi Master

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    I don't think that Qui-Gon was necessarily not caring about Shmi being left behind, he most likely just didn't see anything he could do to help her at the time. Qui-Gon did ask Shmi if she would be okay; so I think he does care about her. Additionally, he might have thought that if he acted as easy about Shmi staying as possible so that it would be easier for Anakin to leave. Perhaps Qui-Gon was planning on reevaluating his options for freeing Shmi after he finished his mission of escorting the Queen to Coruscant. Of course, he then was assigned to escort the Queen back to Naboo, and well, we all know what happened to him there.
  6. ST-TPM-ASF-TNE Moderator Emeritus

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    Then again Qui-gon showed that a Jedi doesn't have to be bothered by the concept of slavery as long as there's something involved for him. He wasn't bothered in the slightest bit that Shmi was going to remain as Watto's property as long as he had her son. Mind you, this is a woman he could have potentially had feelings for, and he didn't care that she was left behind as a slave.

    Who's to say he didn't care? There is no indication that he didn't care. But what was he suppose to do? Watto wouldn't give Shmi up.

    So, if a Jedi (based on Qui-gon, who is supposedly the epitomy of Jedi Knighthood) was not above using the current system for his own benefit, a man who cheats at gambling, and who does not care who is left behind when he gets what he wants, why would he care if Jar Jar was left on Tatooine? Why did Shmi deserve to remain a slave?

    What ever gave you the indication that Qui-Gon freed Anakin for his own pleasure? If you come across the chosen one (or at least somebody whom you think is the chosen one) you just don't leave them behind. And Qui-Gon did try to free Shmi, but Watto didn't let him, so the best he could do was free Anakin. As for your last statement, "why did Shmi deserve to remain a slave?". She didn't, nor did Qui-Gon feel she deserved to remain a slave. But why does Jar Jar deserve to become a slave in Shmi's place? Selling a hapless creature into slavery to get somebody else in return doesn't change much, because Qui-Gon would still be letting somebody who didn't deserve to be a slave become one. Either way, Qui-Gon didn't wasn't given much of an option. Either give up Jar Jar to become a slave to recieve a slave, or leave a slave behind and keep somebody else from ever becoming a slave. Either way somebody will still be screwed, so why does Qui-Gon's ultimate decision matter?

    See, either way, people would complain. No matter how much some people may hate Jar Jar, had Qui-Gon ended up selling him into slavery and leaving him behind on a foreign planet Jar Jar knows nothing about, and leaving him completely alone and stranded, people would consider Qui-Gon a horrible person. Now, if we go with the way things actually do turn out, in which Qui-Gon leaves Shmi behind because he had no choice but to, people still say Qui-Gon is a horrible person. Either way, Qui-Gon's actions can't win with some people, so why argue it?
  7. Loco_for_Lucas Jedi Grand Master

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    What ever gave you the indication that Qui-Gon freed Anakin for his own pleasure?


    Freeing a nine year old boy for his own pleasure? :confused:

    I'm sorry, nothing personal against you, but that sounded so wrong, and still so funny. [face_laugh] :p

    If you come across the chosen one (or at least somebody whom you think is the chosen one) you just don't leave them behind. And Qui-Gon did try to free Shmi, but Watto didn't let him, so the best he could do was free Anakin.


    Qui-gon seemed to give up on the notion pretty quickly. As a "compassionate" person, he would have tried to find a way to save Shmi. And Watto would have let him, Watto was a bargainer, he'd listen to any wager proposition Qui-gon would have made. Were he truly compassionate, he would have been selfless and upped the stakes further, make the bet truly interesting. If Qui-gon lost, he would offer the pod to Watto as well as himself as a slave. If he won, the boy and his mother. Interesting stakes for Watto, and possibly for the audience, and Qui-gon wouldn't be such an ogre. :p

    As for your last statement, "why did Shmi deserve to remain a slave?". She didn't, nor did Qui-Gon feel she deserved to remain a slave.


    As I said, he seemed to give up on the notion rather quickly, as though she didn't deserve freedom enough for him to actually try. He wanted the boy, he manipulated the game to get what he wanted, and as soon as he won he was ready to leave. It didn't matter if she was left behind as a slave, he had more important things to worry about than the chosen one's mother remaining a slave.

    But why does Jar Jar deserve to become a slave in Shmi's place? Selling a hapless creature into slavery to get somebody else in return doesn't change much, because Qui-Gon would still be letting somebody who didn't deserve to be a slave become one. Either way, Qui-Gon didn't wasn't given much of an option. Either give up Jar Jar to become a slave to recieve a slave, or leave a slave behind and keep somebody else from ever becoming a slave. Either way somebody will still be screwed, so why does Qui-Gon's ultimate decision matter?


    Because Qui-gon doesn't seem to be bothered by the notion of slavery. If he doesn't mind leaving her behind or manipulating the system, then it would be no big deal selling some poor pathetic creature into slavery for the sake of the Chosen One. Since the idea was that Anakin's well being was paramount and above that of others, then why would Qui-gon worry about Jar Jar? He didn't worry about Shmi, why worry about a "mindless being" that owes him a life debt anyway?

    See, either way, people would complain. No matter how much some people may hate Jar Jar, had Qui-Gon ended up selling him into slavery and leaving him behind on a foreign planet Jar Jar knows nothing about, and leaving him completely alone and stranded, people would consider Qui-Gon a horrible person.


    Don't forget, it's hot there too. :p The way you described Jar Jar's circumstances make it sound hilarious. [face_laugh]

    Personally, if that happened in the film, I'd think it was the funniest thing of the year.

    I can see it now:

    Watto: I've lost everything, I'm ruined. Take the boy.

    Qui-gon: Now I feel bad. Say, you know what? Maybe we can make a deal that would benefit you.

    CUT TO:

    ship interior

    ANAKIN: Gee, Mister Qui-gon, thanks for getting mom and me off that planet.

    SHMI: Indeed, it was most kind of you.

    C-3PO: My this ship is quite comfortable, don't you agree R2?

    R2 beeps

    ANAKIN: Say, Mister Qui-gon...

    QUI-GON: Yes, Ani?

    ANAKIN: Where's Jar Jar?

    QUI-GON: Uhh...

    END SCENE


  8. youngvader Jedi Grand Master

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    That would have been the best use for him. Sell Jar Jar to pay for the parts.
  9. Go-Mer-Tonic Jedi Youngling

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    First of all Jedi do not keep other beings as property.

    Second, he is against slavery.

    Third, he knew Jar-Jar would serve a greater purpose, even if he didn't know what that purpose would turn out to be.
  10. Loco_for_Lucas Jedi Grand Master

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    First of all Jedi do not keep other beings as property.


    Qui-gon would not be keeping Jar Jar for himself, he'd be selling him for Shmi's freedom or maybe for pars.

    Second, he is against slavery.


    Is he? We don't really see him to care when he's told about the conditions of the slaves ("and they blow you up!") nor does he seem to care about Shmi once he got Anakin. He didn't even try to make a deal with Watto.

    Third, he knew Jar-Jar would serve a greater purpose, even if he didn't know what that purpose would turn out to be.


    How do you know he did?
  11. Rabid_Balding_Ewok Jedi Master

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    There was an old thread that addressed this issue. Following QGG's reasoning it was in his best intrest to keep Jar Jar as his slave.

    Jar Jar was naive. His heart was in the right place but Qui Gon took advantage of that. Right off the bat he declares that Jar Jar's life belongs to him and binds him to a life time of servitude. As soon as this care free gungan meets our Jedi master his life becomes Qui Gon's to do with as he pleases. It's a good thing Darth Maul saves Jar Jar from his Jedi oppressor. Just imagine the hardships that Qui Gon had planned for Jar Jar.

    Qui Gon was a dirty slaver, plain and simple.

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  12. ST-TPM-ASF-TNE Moderator Emeritus

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    Some of you make it sound like Qui-Gon is a common thief. If you were in Qui-Gon's situation you all know you would use your power to cheat and turn the cube over one space. And Loco_for_Lucas, can you honestly tell me that if you were in Qui-Gon's situation that you would willingly make a wager to offer yourself as a slave without thinking about it twice? I seriously doubt it. I seriously doubt any of us would. Does that make us "evil"? No. Then why does it make Qui-Gon a bad person?
  13. Loco_for_Lucas Jedi Grand Master

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    Some of you make it sound like Qui-Gon is a common thief. If you were in Qui-Gon's situation you all know you would use your power to cheat and turn the cube over one space.


    Uhh, cheating is cheating, he stole a victory, then yeah, from a certain point of view, Qui-gon could be seen as a common thief.

    And Loco_for_Lucas, can you honestly tell me that if you were in Qui-Gon's situation that you would willingly make a wager to offer yourself as a slave without thinking about it twice? I seriously doubt it. I seriously doubt any of us would. Does that make us "evil"? No. Then why does it make Qui-Gon a bad person?


    Yeah, if I believed what I was saying. Why would I doubt the kid I believed he was the Chosen One? In that situation, all the group's lives were on the line, and it was already resting with the boy, so if Qui-gon were confident in Anakin, he would offer himself. It's the sort of selfless gesture one would expect a Jedi would do. Pre-PT, of course, when we thought the Jedi were great and noble characters.

  14. KosmicKnine Jedi Master

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    Sell Jar Jar to pay for the parts.

    Would you like to be sold for some parts, youngvader?

    Right off the bat he declares that Jar Jar's life belongs to him and binds him to a life time of servitude.

    Qui-Gon used the "life debt" issue as a barganing tactic when he was talking to get Boss Nass more quickly agree to let Jar Jar go with the Jedi instead of being punished. Qui-Gon was pressed for time and opted for a tactic that would provide the desired results most quickly. The tactic worked. There is no indication that Qui-Gon actually felt that he owned Jar Jar. In fact when Qui-Gon first met Jar Jar, he dismissed Jar Jar's proclamation that Jar Jar was now his servant.

    Uhh, cheating is cheating, he stole a victory, then yeah, from a certain point of view, Qui-gon could be seen as a common thief.

    Because Watto is such an upstanding individual and wouldn't ever use a weighted cube to cheat those he bet with out of something, would he? Qui-Gon doesn't seem like a common theif, he seems like a person wise enough to realize that the person he's betting with is trying to pull something and takes a step to prevent that.

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    Just because Qui-Gon didn't burst into a hysterical fit does not anywhere signify that he did not care about Shmi's situation, nor does it indicate that he didn't spend time contemplating a way to free her. With Qui-Gon having a prior assignment to protect the Queen and needing to get Amidala to Coruscant as quickly as possible, it is very much reasonable that Qui-Gon, seeing no immediate remedy for Shmi's slavery, intended to return later and find a solution.
  15. JediAl Jedi Master

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    Jar Jar: Weesa goin' home!!!!
    Qui Gon: That's what I wanted to talk to you about Jar Jar..
    Jar Jar: Wat's dat Qui Gon sa? Meesa no goin' home?
    Qui Gon: It's just...we needed something to trade and Jar Jar..you were that something.I had to throw a couple of my worthless Republic credits in as well.
    Jar Jar :But meesa goin' ta die on dis rock sa!

    (Cinema viewers applaud)
    Qui Gon: It is the will of the Force..but being a dumb Gungan, you wouldn't understand that. Enjoy the moisture farms Jar Jar.
    (Watto arrives)
    Watto: Watta de hell you think you doin'? Getta work!
  16. ST-TPM-ASF-TNE Moderator Emeritus

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    Loco_for_Lucas, by your standards, Obi-Wan in ANH is no better than Qui-Gon. Obi-Wan in ANH practically lies to Luke's face three or four times, and he lies to Han telling him he'll pay him much, much more than he or Luke could afford to.

    Stop making Qui-Gon seem like the bad guy. The original trilogy characters are no better or worse.
  17. Loco_for_Lucas Jedi Grand Master

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    Loco_for_Lucas, by your standards, Obi-Wan in ANH is no better than Qui-Gon. Obi-Wan in ANH practically lies to Luke's face three or four times, and he lies to Han telling him he'll pay him much, much more than he or Luke could afford to.


    You're right, he's not. The PTs were Lucas' chance to repair Obi-wan's character. Instead, he's even more of a liar than he was before.

    Stop making Qui-Gon seem like the bad guy. The original trilogy characters are no better or worse.


    I'm sorry, but the PT makes it a little too easy. ;)

    Jar Jar: Weesa goin' home!!!!
    Qui Gon: That's what I wanted to talk to you about Jar Jar..
    Jar Jar: Wat's dat Qui Gon sa? Meesa no goin' home?
    Qui Gon: It's just...we needed something to trade and Jar Jar..you were that something.I had to throw a couple of my worthless Republic credits in as well.
    Jar Jar :But meesa goin' ta die on dis rock sa!

    (Cinema viewers applaud)
    Qui Gon: It is the will of the Force..but being a dumb Gungan, you wouldn't understand that. Enjoy the moisture farms Jar Jar.
    (Watto arrives)
    Watto: Watta de hell you think you doin'? Getta work!


    Priceless! [face_laugh]
  18. SithHolocron Jedi Master

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    "Why didn't Qui-Gon sell Jar Jar??"

    This is but another of the unanswered yet greatly pondered questions in life--

    "Why did the Howells bring their money on the Minnow with them?"

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  19. Loco_for_Lucas Jedi Grand Master

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    Qui-Gon used the "life debt" issue as a barganing tactic when he was talking to get Boss Nass more quickly agree to let Jar Jar go with the Jedi instead of being punished. Qui-Gon was pressed for time and opted for a tactic that would provide the desired results most quickly. The tactic worked. There is no indication that Qui-Gon actually felt that he owned Jar Jar. In fact when Qui-Gon first met Jar Jar, he dismissed Jar Jar's proclamation that Jar Jar was now his servant.


    As we saw, Qui-gon would return to something he earlier dismissed. Like you said, he dismissed the notion that Jar Jar was his, but when they saw they could use a navigator (unless they just happened to know how to get to Theed through the planet core) Qui-gon mentioned that Jar Jar's life was his. He went back on something he said earlier when it was convenient for the mission, using the system he came across.

    Because Watto is such an upstanding individual and wouldn't ever use a weighted cube to cheat those he bet with out of something, would he? Qui-Gon doesn't seem like a common theif, he seems like a person wise enough to realize that the person he's betting with is trying to pull something and takes a step to prevent that.


    So it's okay for Qui-gon Jinn, Jedi Master, to use the sacred Force for cheating in bets? Because Watto isn't of "choice" status, he deserves to be cheated? He could have been using a weighted chance cube, but if he wasn't, he was robbed of his property by a Jedi. Besides, why would Watto use a weighted cube? It wouldn't matter what side it landed on, he would still be keeping one slave. That and his own arrogance would give him the confidence to not need to cheat.

    Just because Qui-Gon didn't burst into a hysterical fit does not anywhere signify that he did not care about Shmi's situation, nor does it indicate that he didn't spend time contemplating a way to free her.


    No, he didn't throw a hissy fit, but he didn't bother to do anything else to help her since he already had her son.

    With Qui-Gon having a prior assignment to protect the Queen and needing to get Amidala to Coruscant as quickly as possible, it is very much reasonable that Qui-Gon, seeing no immediate remedy for Shmi's slavery, intended to return later and find a solution.


    After returning to Coruscant, Qui-gon would be training Anakin, and it was apparent that no effort would be taken to go back to Tatooine, as was seen in AOTC. After ten years, they had still not gone to Tatooine to do a thing about Shmi. If Obi-wan didn't seem to mind, why would Qui-gon? Because Obi-wan never met the mother of his apprentice? Anakin undoubtedly spoke to his master about her, and there still was no action to have a thing done about it, it shows that Qui-gon would not have done anything either.
  20. SL-SX388 Jedi Knight

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    I don't think that the Jedi would want Anakin's mother to be freed after he started his training because he'd more than likely want to be with her thus making him attached. And we know what the Jedi think about attachment.
  21. JediAl Jedi Master

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    (Jar Jar's saga continues)

    Watto: Watta am I gonna do wit ya, eh? Ya falla on ya knees every 2 minutes.Ya costin' me money!Dat Jedi cheated me..he knew ya were a useless heap.Dat's a why he tricked me inna taking ya.

    Jar Jar:Exsqueeze me Mister Watta sa,but meesa thirstin' an' dis here sun is a roastin meesa ears!

    Watto: Ah, I'm a tired of ya complainin'. I'm a gonna sell ya ta de Tuskan Raiders...dey sa need someone ta feed der Banthas and shovel up der "waste"..

    Jar Jar:Meesa?............
    End scene
  22. KosmicKnine Jedi Master

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    As we saw, Qui-gon would return to something he earlier dismissed. Like you said, he dismissed the notion that Jar Jar was his, but when they saw they could use a navigator (unless they just happened to know how to get to Theed through the planet core) Qui-gon mentioned that Jar Jar's life was his. He went back on something he said earlier when it was convenient for the mission, using the system he came across.

    First, it was logical that Jar Jar could possibly assist them in making their way through the planet's core to Theed. The Jedi weren't from around there and thus didn't know the territory; Jar Jar, being from there, would have more knowledge than they would. It makes sense to get Jar Jar to help them navigate, if he would do so. The implimentation of the "life debt" was only mentioned to Boss Nass to speeden things up and had absolutely nothing to do with Qui-Gon actually considering Jar Jar to be his property.

    Because Watto isn't of "choice" status, he deserves to be cheated?

    Does Qui-Gon just because he's supposed to be an upstanding Jedi Knight supposed to just sit by and let someone else cheat him?

    Besides, why would Watto use a weighted cube? It wouldn't matter what side it landed on, he would still be keeping one slave. That and his own arrogance would give him the confidence to not need to cheat.

    Watto would use a weighted cube because he's not exactly a scrupulous person. People most frequently become arrogant in order to hide their deep insecurities. Watto wouldn't want to leave anything up to chance if he could prevent it from being such. It's not like his chance cube was a governmentally sanctioned and regulated casino. Watto is an opportunist; if he could cheat and get away with it, then he most definitely would do so. Watto didn't want to lose Anakin; Anakin, being the only human capable of racing pods, was worth vastly more to Watto than Shmi. So, to keep Anakin and let it be Shmi that ended up being the wager with Qui-Gon, Watto was going to use his weighted chance cube and cheat. Qui-Gon, being wise enough to realize it, counteracted the Watto's attempt to cheat.

    ...but he didn't bother to do anything else to help her since he already had her son.

    He couldn't see any options available to him at the time.

    After returning to Coruscant, Qui-gon would be training Anakin,...

    Qui-Gon didn't know that he would be the one to specifically be training Anakin when he left Tatooine with him. He didn't bring up Anakin becoming his personal Padawan until he found out that the Council was not going to train Anakin. So to say that Qui-Gon discounted returning to save Shmi while he was still on Tatooine because he was planning to train Anakin himself is incorrect.

    After ten years, they had still not gone to Tatooine to do a thing about Shmi. If Obi-wan didn't seem to mind, why would Qui-gon? Because Obi-wan never met the mother of his apprentice? Anakin undoubtedly spoke to his master about her, and there still was no action to have a thing done about it, it shows that Qui-gon would not have done anything either.

    The actions (or lack of actions) of others do NOT in any way indicate what Qui-Gon's actions would be. Qui-Gon had a history of disobeying the Council. Obi-Wan frequently disagreed with Qui-Gon in Qui-Gon's decisions to go against the Council. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are very different people with different beliefs about the authority and wisdom of the Council. To assume that because Obi-Wan didn't do something that that would also mean Qui-Gon wouldn't do it is to truly not understand the difference between the two characters.
  23. Loco_for_Lucas Jedi Grand Master

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    First, it was logical that Jar Jar could possibly assist them in making their way through the planet's core to Theed. The Jedi weren't from around there and thus didn't know the territory; Jar Jar, being from there, would have more knowledge than they would. It makes sense to get Jar Jar to help them navigate, if he would do so. The implimentation of the "life debt" was only mentioned to Boss Nass to speeden things up and had absolutely nothing to do with Qui-Gon actually considering Jar Jar to be his property.


    Which is what I said.

    Does Qui-Gon just because he's supposed to be an upstanding Jedi Knight supposed to just sit by and let someone else cheat him?


    Well, we don't know if Qui-gon would have been cheated, do we? Why's that? Because he was cheating himself, and using a mystical energy field to do it too.

    Watto would use a weighted cube because he's not exactly a scrupulous person. People most frequently become arrogant in order to hide their deep insecurities. Watto wouldn't want to leave anything up to chance if he could prevent it from being such. It's not like his chance cube was a governmentally sanctioned and regulated casino. Watto is an opportunist; if he could cheat and get away with it, then he most definitely would do so.


    What outcome was he opting for? He was still going to keep one slave, were it all or nothing, then you'd have a point. Otherwise, such previsions won't be necessary because both slaves have their benefits for him keeping them.

    Watto didn't want to lose Anakin; Anakin, being the only human capable of racing pods, was worth vastly more to Watto than Shmi. So, to keep Anakin and let it be Shmi that ended up being the wager with Qui-Gon, Watto was going to use his weighted chance cube and cheat. Qui-Gon, being wise enough to realize it, counteracted the Watto's attempt to cheat.


    On the contrary, if Watto were to cheat, he'd opt to keep Shmi. Why? He could afford to lose Anakin because Shmi would provide him with more slaves. If he were to cheat, he'd opt for to keep Shmi, so Qui-gon would not need to use the Force since he was after Anakin. The fact Qui-gon used the Force showed Watto wasn't cheating; because if Watto was cheating, Qui-gon wouldn't worry as the outcome would be in his favor anyway.

    He couldn't see any options available to him at the time.


    I offered one, offering himself as a slave to Watto. A selfless and virtuous Jedi would not hesitate, especially if he believes in the Chosen One to succeed.

    Qui-Gon didn't know that he would be the one to specifically be training Anakin when he left Tatooine with him. He didn't bring up Anakin becoming his personal Padawan until he found out that the Council was not going to train Anakin. So to say that Qui-Gon discounted returning to save Shmi while he was still on Tatooine because he was planning to train Anakin himself is incorrect.

    The actions (or lack of actions) of others do NOT in any way indicate what Qui-Gon's actions would be. Qui-Gon had a history of disobeying the Council. Obi-Wan frequently disagreed with Qui-Gon in Qui-Gon's decisions to go against the Council. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are very different people with different beliefs about the authority and wisdom of the Council. To assume that because Obi-Wan didn't do something that that would also mean Qui-Gon wouldn't do it is to truly not understand the difference between the two characters.


    Unless he was keeping it to himself, why didn't he reassure Anakin by mentioning it to him, that is if he had any intention of returning. It would have made the voyage to Coruscant easier for the boy. Qui-gon would have seen the kid sitting around, moping, longing for his mother. I'm sure he would have "sensed it" and said "Ani, don't worry about you're mother. We'll go back for her, I promise." He didn't say that, he had the opportunity, and i
  24. Stridarious Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Nov 27, 2002
    star 6
    I think the real question we should be asking is why would Qui-Gon want to sell Jar Jar. I mean he wouldn't get much for him! 8-}
  25. JediAl Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 11, 2002
    star 2
    The story so far...Qui Gon has traded Jar Jar for Shmi...Watto took him on but soon realised that Jar Jar was just one huge liability...He is in the process of selling him to the Tuskan Raiders.

    Watto: Getta yerself over here...Watta ya think ha?

    Tuskans: Arrrwww!! Uuuhhhiiiiii!! (No way man!)

    Watto: Now looka watta ya done..dey donta want ya... Tuskan friends..heesa good atta work. A jugga Bantha milk anda heesa yours!!!

    Tuskans: Arrrwww!!Oiiikkk uuuhhhh!! (What a waste of milk) AIIIIIIIII!!!UUUUUHH!! (We're being attacked by settlers! Run for it!)

    Watto: Nowsa my chance..I grab de milk anda rida myselfa of Jar Jar.

    (Watto runs in the dust and confusion)

    Jar Jar: O tank you muy muy! Yousa saved me!

    Settlers: He don't look loike much...could be on his way to Mos Isley. We're goin' that way. I hear they're lookin' for servants on dem freighters...

    Jar Jar: No!! Meesa no servant!! Meesa Gungan! Meesa wanna go home ta Naboo...

    Settlers: Dat's what they all say..Let's go.

    Tune in for Part 4
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