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PT Why Didn't The Jedi Council Send Anakin To Fight Grievous?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by ObiWanKnowsMe, Oct 26, 2017.

  1. ObiWanKnowsMe

    ObiWanKnowsMe Jedi Master star 4

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    When Chancellor Palpatine proposed Anakin to go capture Grievous, I think he knew the Council would deny this. But when the Council decided to send ObiWan to capture Grievous, why didn't they send Anakin along with him? He didn't seem to have any other mission at the time and Obi/Anakin did just amazingly rescue Palpatine/took out Dooku. It seems logical to send ObiWan and Anakin together.

    Was it a matter of testing Anakin and his patience??
     
  2. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Chosen One star 7

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    Anakin is supposed to be spying on the Chancellor. Kenobi gives Anakin the secret mission to spy on the Chancellor, and a couple of scenes later is the scene where they decide who will capture Grievous. Kenobi gives Anakin the spy mission about 37 minutes into the movie, and the decision as to who will capture Grievous happens about ten minutes later.
     
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  3. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Chosen One star 6

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    why didn't they send more jedi to catch Grievous tho ?
     
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  4. BookExogorth

    BookExogorth Force Ghost star 4

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    They trusted Obi-Wan as the master of his form.
     
  5. Pacified_llama

    Pacified_llama Jedi Master star 3

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    It becomes progressively, and retrospectively wiser for the Council to have sent only Obi-Wan after Grievous. Remember, they don't pinpoint his location on Utapau until Clone Intelligence receives word of it (and in turn, so does Palpatine).
    Obi-Wan therefore travels to Utapau ahead of his Clone regiment, to feign ignorance that Grievous is truly there. Anakin and Obi-Wan together would have attracted unwanted attention. The element of surprise was needed.

    And, of course, Anakin has other duties which he has been locked into by Palpatine and the High Council both.
    The proposition is never made that they should work together - when Anakin proposes his own involvement, it is unilateral and, presumably, alone - "The Chancellor has requested that I lead the campaign".
     
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  6. ObiWanKnowsMe

    ObiWanKnowsMe Jedi Master star 4

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    Yes I thought that it was to keep it more of a secret operation. If you only send one Jedi, you minimize chance of getting found..

    And Yes I did forget about the Council needing anakin to spy on Palp..good point
     
  7. StartCenterEnd

    StartCenterEnd Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Palpatine insisting they send Anakin didn't help his chances. He's a shrewd man that Palpatine. He dind't want them to send him away from Coruscant so he demands they send Anakin so they wouldn't send him to defy him.
     
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  8. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

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    Because the Jedi sensed danger for Anakin. So in spite of him defeating Dooku, they sent him to be deceitful with the Chancellor, whom they felt weird about also. So Obi-Wan, who nearly got killed by Dooku, was sent to take on the leader of the Separatist armies, and his army, all by himself. At first.
     
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  9. Pacified_llama

    Pacified_llama Jedi Master star 3

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    I'm not sure of the strength ratios here - I don't know the threat level that the Jedi Council assigned Grievous next to that of Dooku.

    Grievous was irrational, and an unknown - and Kenobi was always the moderating, level headed Jedi that could meet unpredictability head on. How else would he have managed to get anywhere in training Anakin? I say a good choice, purely on those grounds.
     
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  10. DARTHLINK

    DARTHLINK Force Ghost star 4

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    Because the mission required deceit, careful planning, and infiltration — none of which Anakin excels at. It also bears to mind that because Anakin was close to Palpatine, and they wanted to observe Palpatine, he would have to stay. You think Palpatine would be open to secret discussions with Obi-Wan hanging around with him?
     
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  11. Gigoran Monk

    Gigoran Monk Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    removed - bashing
     
  12. Pacified_llama

    Pacified_llama Jedi Master star 3

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    Yes, there is that angle. I'm not sure if the Jedi Council's plotting was that extensive, however. Remember, they don't have reason to suspect Palpatine is the Sith Lord himself, only someone close to his office. They only distrust Palpatine as much as they distrust a politician exercising all means to stay in power (and that's quite normal, for a politician). So they probably don't take Obi-Wan away from Coruscant, to encourage Palpatine to reveal something. It is of course possible.

    Thematically, the intention is to separate the Council and Skywalker even further, and provide a pretext for Palpatine's claims that the Jedi are working against the Republic and against Anakin's own destiny.
     
  13. DARTHLINK

    DARTHLINK Force Ghost star 4

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    I thought it was well-known to the Jedi that Anakin liked hanging out with Palpatine? Would only be logical to send Anakin in to observe, even if they don’t think Palpatine is the Sith Lord.
     
  14. Valairy Scot

    Valairy Scot Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Why didn't they send Mace? Or Yoda? Why must it be Anakin? Obi-Wan was obviously a correct choice, since he got the job done. Should all the "prestigious/important" assignments be Anakin's because he's Anakin? That almost begs the question: why should any Jedi done anything, when Anakin can do it?
     
  15. darth-sinister

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    Palpatine plays up to Anakin's ego and his growing sense of distrust, by suggesting that he should be the one who leads the mission and not Obi-wan. The Council is confident in sending Obi-wan due to his military standing and his past encounters with Grievous, where he held his own against him.
     
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  16. themoth

    themoth Force Ghost star 5

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    Yep. And Palpatine knew the Jedi would refuse to send Anakin.
     
  17. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

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    Who would have died if it wasn't for Anakin deafeating Dooku.


    Anakin was the in-form Jedi but the council wanted to keep him in pocket and use him to spy on the man he had just been sent on a successful mission to rescue. Strangely, the Jedi do not seem to have the wisdom to reassess that mission in light of their newfound distrust and sensitivity towards the darkness surrounding Palpatine. You would have thought that if the Jedi had made that connection in Anakin's presence, Anakin might have been more forthcoming about what happened while Obi Wan was out cold.
     
  18. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Which doesn't make him the right one to lead the mission. Obi-wan himself has had to save Anakin as well. So it isn't a matter of who is better at Lightsaber combat, but with regards to combat experience and having dealt with Grievous. Obi-wan is vastly more qualified than Anakin. Grievous even considers Obi-wan more of a threat than Anakin.
     
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  19. Seeker Of The Whills

    Seeker Of The Whills Jedi Master star 4

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    1. He was assigned to spy on Palpatine.

    2. As Mace said "The Council will make up its own mind who is to go, not the Chancellor." Basically a "screw you" to Palpatine. Perhaps they would've considered Anakin if he didn't boast about Palpatine's endorsement.

    3. They wanted someone more experienced and capable to lead such a campaign, so who better than Obi-Wan? He had the most prior experience fighting Grievous and a score to settle with him.
     
  20. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

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    The films should provide the information to make the council's decisions in those films seem reasonable. Not spin offs.
     
  21. Seeker Of The Whills

    Seeker Of The Whills Jedi Master star 4

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    Who said anything about spin-offs? You're just trying to bait again and turn this into another endless debate about "inconsistencies." I don't know why you bother spending all your time here when there's separate boards for the films you seem to enjoy more.
     
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  22. darth-sinister

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    The movie did provide that. I just added more detail.
     
  23. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

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    When did Obi-Wan have to save Anakin?
     
  24. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    When he was captured aboard a Separatist frigate, as seen in "Dooku Captured". In "Nightsisters", he warns him of an incoming fighter that was about to crash into them.
     
  25. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

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    That's not in the film. The reason might as well be that Anakin has an ingrowing toenail that features in a spin off.

    The movie sets up Anakin as the in-form combatant but then gives Obi-Wan the crucial combat mission and sends the frustrated and insubordinate Anakin off to hang with the chancellor they suddenly sense darkness around.
     
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