Why didn't Vader ever take an apprentice?

Vader was Emperor Palpatines apprentice for how long over 25 odd years or so. So why didn't he allow Vader to take an apprentice so he could take a new one.

They could have a whole army of sith by the end of ANH. Then they would have never been defeated.

Palpatien trained numerous sith: Maul, Tyrannus, Vader...

I don't see why...were they waiting for young Skywalker?

And why did The Emperor want skywalker to take Vader's place?
And Vader wanted Luke to take the Emperors place (Join me and we will rule the galaxy as father and son.)

Why couldn't they all just rule together and be one happy family?

 

"Always TWO there are, no more no less"

 

Vader didn't take an apprentice because there can only be two Sith at one time. Yes, Palpatine trained multiple Sith, but not at the same time. Vader was going to kill the Emperor and make Luke his apprentice; the Emperor wanted Luke to kill Vader so that Luke would become his apprentice. Palpatine wanted "a new apprentice... one who is far younger and more powerful."

 

Ok so why can there only be two Sith...but a thosaund Jedi?

Maul and Dooku were around the same time...Maul was a darth and so was Dooku.

So Palpatine trained Dooku first then he went to become a darth? Then he trained Maul? Because Dooku was a sith before Maul was right?

But thats doesn't make sense then because theres 3 sith right there alive at one time.

 

It's just a rule. Kinda like how every Jedi isn't a master until he comes to be on the council.

Also, if there were some sort of all powerful Sith Lord in charge of everything, you can bet that every other Sith under him would be plotting to overthrow him. It would all go over in a vicious cycle basically.

In fact, I would bet that's how the Rule of Two came to be, although I'm just blindly guessing.

EDIT: Dooku became Sidious' apprentice after Maul's death. Before that, he was a Jedi who had left just around the time of TPM, unsatisfied with the way the Republic and Coucil was running.

 

Ok so why can there only be two Sith...but a thosaund Jedi?

Yes. The Sith are power hungry and killed each other instead of the Jedi, which is what caused them to "become extinct for a millennium." Darth Bane survived, and decided to prevent that from happening again, there could only be two at a time.

Maul and Dooku were around the same time...Maul was a darth and so was Dooku.

Wrong.

So Palpatine trained Dooku first then he went to become a darth? Then he trained Maul? Because Dooku was a sith before Maul was right?

No. He trained Maul from birth. Once Maul died, THEN Dooku left the Jedi Order and became his apprentice.

 

Vader was Emperor Palpatines apprentice for how long over 25 odd years or so. So why didn't he allow Vader to take an apprentice so he could take a new one.

Because then there would be 3 or 4 Sith, breaking the rule of two and thus the Sith could self-destruct, which I'll get to in a mintue.

They could have a whole army of sith by the end of ANH. Then they would have never been defeated

Rogue_Three hit it perfectly. That's the way it used to be, during the Great Sith War. The Sith self-destructed. They were fighting the Jedi, plus they broke out among their own ranks and fought each other, because they all wanted to be the top dog, then when one became the all-powerful Sith, another Sith would come along and kill him, and the cycle continued because they were all selfish and were hungry for power and domination.

Palpatien trained numerous sith: Maul, Tyrannus, Vader...

He never trained them at once, first came one, then that one would die off, then would come the other.

And why did The Emperor want skywalker to take Vader's place?

Vader was getting older, and young Skywalker was at a perfect age to become a powerful Sith that still had alot of time to serve the Emperor.


Grrr....wasn't until after I posted this that I realized Jedi Master Ousley already said it all.

 

He wouldn't have been able to hide it from Darth Sidious. Sidious would have known that Vader wanted to replace him, and probably would have had Vader killed. If a pupil seemed promising, Vader would be afraid that Sidious would train him, and remove Vader (as he was trying to replace the crippled Vader). When Luke appears, it's too good an opportunity to simply kill him. They both want to train him, as both Sidious and Vader want to eliminate one another.

 

Always two there are, foolish one.

 

Actually Vader did secretly train an apprentice but I forgot her name. Also he was planning to kill the Emperor to uphold the Sith tradition and make Luke one of his disciples.

 

"Ok so why can there only be two Sith...but a thosaund Jedi?"

Hey, pal...blame Darth Bane for this one.

 

If you have ever played KOTOR, you learn that the apprentice must kill his master to take a new appretice. Thats how the sith work.

 

I think that tradition comes from the Sith species itself.

 

the reason there are always two is not that it is actually a rule. the sith think inwards only about themselves and their quest for greater power. the master wants an apprentice to do his will to make his own power greater. however, if the apprentice becomes powerful enough, he will realize he can destroy his master and take a new apprentice to make himself more powerful. the "rule of two" is the nature of greed and evil.

 

I hate to go EU, but both Vader and Palpatine searched and attained apprentices in hopes of overturning the others.



But meh.

 

Actually the rule of 2 is only in effect until the Sith overthrow the Jedi.

Empire = No Jedi, ruled by Sith.

They can take more apprentices, there's nobody to physically stop them.

 

Jedi or not the reason the 'always two, no more no less' is
b/c if there is more than a Master and Apprentice they will
turn on each other [as they did in the past] and wipe each
other out.

 

The rule of two is stupid; but I guess it is cannon since Yoda said it... Then again, there is obviously no rule against Jedi lying...

Here's an alternative answer: Palps kept Vader VERY busy for those twenty some years hunting jedi, strongarming the galaxy, getting him pepsi products...

 

you realize the rule of two exists entirely as a result of this website's interpertation of one single line in the first of 3 poorly scripted movies?

All yoda was saying is... IF THE FUNNY LOOKING GUY WITH THE HORNS ON HIS HEAD IS AN APPRENTICE... THEN SOMEBODY PROBABLY TRAINED HIM! ALWAYS TWO MASTER AND APPRENTACE..


...same thing could be said about the Jedi by the Sith,
HEY LOOKIE MASTER!!! I KILLED THIS 19year old Jedi Student and now the Jedi Order is extinct forever!
-NO, always two there are, If you killed the studnet, then there must be a master..He didn't train himself did he??
-So the Jedi have a rule of two??
-no, they just usually have some kind of a master otherwise HOW ARE THEY APPRENTICES?!?!?!MASTER therefore Apprentace... MASTER- APPRENTACE.. MASTER APPRENTICE
-So there are only 2 Jedi then??
-No, there are thoussands of Jedi, all I'm saying is the master apprentice relationship only makes sense if thewre's both a master AND an-
-BUT MASTER YOU SIAD THERE ARE AT LEAST 2 JEDI!!HOW COULD THERE BE MORE THAN TWO!! SUPERSH-W SAID THERE'S ONLY 2!! THEY'RE BREAKING THE RULE OF-
***ZAP***
-Time to get a new apprentice...

 

I just love reading your answers, my little green friend!
Nothing constructive to add really! All is said by now!

 

In the Marvel comics Vader trained Lumiya, who after Palpatine and vader died, declared herself a Dark LADY of the Sith while on Korriban, and trained her apprentice the Dark Lord Flint

 

i dont think you people heard what i said

first the rule of two is not a rule at all and is never called a rule it is just an observation

and it applies at all times. it has nothing to do with the jedi, it is has only to do with the nature of greed

 

Long ago the Sith were more than two, but as a result of all them wanting to become the Dark Lord of the Sith, only one survived and he set forth from then on there would be two Sith at once so they don't wipe themselves out completely.

 

Vader was Emperor Palpatines apprentice for how long over 25 odd years or so. So why didn't he allow Vader to take an apprentice so he could take a new one.

Picking a Sith apprentice is not like taking any old apple that falls off a tree. The apprentice must be special in some way; something seen by the Master that the apprentice would be worthy. In this case, Luke came along.

 

What was it Labyrinth of Evil said?

It was more a doctrine than a rule, and this from Count Dooku; a Sith Lord.

Kinda like on Pirates of the Caribbean when the Pirate Code was said to be more of a guideline.

Vader did train other apprentices; Lumiya, Hethrir, probably others, but not to the level of full Dark Lord of the Sith since they weren't powerful enough. The Emperor did the same, as did Tyranus with Assaj Ventress and Komari Vosa . When Luke arrived, he was strong enough to be inducted into the Sith Order fully, which was why the Emperor got involved.