PT Why didn't Yoda take the twins with him to Dagobah to be Trained as Jedi from Birth?

Plus in the beginning of Luke and Yoda's encounter Yoda seemed to have lost some IQ points...

 

I feel like there were too many harsh memories for Vader on Tatooine, and that it would be the last planet he would want to visit again. Him leaving his mother as a child, being a slave, watching his mother die in his arms, etc.

 

Those were Anakin's memories. Vader has no mother, is only a slave to the Dark Side, although in his opinion, the Dark Side is his slave, and only his Son can show him that he is wrong. Visiting Tattooine for it's painful memories would have as much an effect on Vader as visiting Coruscant for it's (killing children, being afraid as a child while he was there, etc.)

Saying he wouldn't go to Tattooine because of memories is like saying he wouldn't go to Coruscant because of memories.

 

I guess you could say that.

 

On Coruscant he killed a bunch of children he had no personal connection to.

On Tatooine his mother died in his arms.

Big difference.

 

I beg to differ...
Even if Vader is a slave of the Dark Side, does not mean he has lost his memories of the past.

 

Vader tells Luke that the name "Anakin Skywalker" has no meaning to him any more. Also Vader can't build a new life completely void of Anakin. He would have to use Anakin's memories and experiences to fight in battles. It might be more similar to someone trying to purge themselves of a past they didn't like (family was a group of con artists or mommy and daddy were filthy rich).

As for not going to Coruscant he has to once a month so they can do repairs on the suit, his inorganic body and a medical check on what's left of his organic body.


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According to George Lucas, the same reason Obi Wan didn't train Luke.

If a Jedi taps into the force, there is a possibility of another force user sensing him.

Which is why Kota could not sense who Starkiller was in that bar!

I got that from RebelForceRadio, have fun finding where it says that because I don't remember what minute mark it was at!

 

^Makes sense seeing that other Force Sensitives only know so-and-so is close if they are using the Force. Unless they are hiding their presence. In TCW Maul didn't even know that Sidious was on planet until maybe a second before Sidious started to choke the guards at the door.

 

Yeh but sidious is the master of cloaking his presence. case in point, being chancellor of the senate and dealing with jedi daily and noone knowing........ haha

 

Point Hurricanejedi

 

As a lot of people have said, Tatooine is where his mother was abducted, raped and murdered. Nothing bad happened to him on Coruscant.

Also, here's another reason why Vader never went to Tatooine-- it's Tatooine. It's in the Outer Rim. It's pretty much on the outside, ruled mostly by the Hutts and other criminal interests, and therefore pretty much irrelevant to the Empire. And even in the off chance that something important does happen there, it can be handled by the planet's garrison of troops. Tatooine is a middle of nowhere system, whereas Coruscant is the capitol. Even if something bad did happen to Vader there, he wouldn't have any choice but to go there to see the Emperor.

 

You can't compare Vader not returning the Tatooine to Coruscant. Tatooine is the place where he lived as Anakin Skywalker and endured traumatic events in that persona. Experiencing that again would remind him of who he was and making him possibly feel again in ways that would pull him away from the dark side. His actions on Coruscant were performed after he had become Vader and accepted his persona as a Sith Lord. He probably remembers killing the younglings in the same manner that you remember that game-winning shot you hit in high school.

 

I don't know where people are getting the idea that Shmi was raped but that is speculation only.

 

It's not explicit (thank god) but the implication is pretty secure. Lucas shot-for-shot visually quotes from The Searchers, which was in part about Natives abducting settler women for purposes that are only very thinly veiled-- whenever John Wayne's young companion tries to enter the scene of a crime (which is always kept off-screen, with only reaction shots from those discovering it) Wayne forcibly keeps him out. When he's asked what happened to the women of the family that helped raise him, he's bluntly rebuffed "What do you want me to do, paint you a picture?".

It's about as strong as you could make an allusion to rape in a Western back then, and the way that it's incorporated into AOTC, along with the even more direct and disturbing way in which Shmi is bound and brutalized, makes it clear to anyone who's reached the age of reason that something unspeakably bad has happened. I'm sure that any number of sci-fi explanations can be grafted on to soften the blow, but reading between the lines is rather easy here. If the Death Star's destruction of Alderann is a sci-fi version of genocide, then this would be a case for a sci-fi Special Victims Unit.

 

I think the fact that they're different races works against the analogy. For all we know they aren't even compatible.

 

You have a good point. Doesn't stop Jabba from chaining pretty humanoid females in scanty outfits to him and make them dance for him though.




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She was tortured.

They aren't. It's stated in the CW comics when the Jedi discern A'Sharad Hett's genealogy.

 

I believe the reason they weren't trained from birth is that their training would have create ripples in the force that the Emperor or Vader might have sensed, and with them being too young to defend themselves, they wouldn't have stood a chance if they were detected. It was safer to place them in hiding and train them when they were older.

As for why Luke was placed on Tattooine, that's simply an artifact of how the story was developed. Vader wasn't originally Luke's father, Leia wasn't his sister, and Luke wasn't in hiding from anyone. Placing him on Tattooine wasn't problematic in the first movie. It wasn't until Vader and Father Skywalker were merged that a problem arose. Creating a satisfying explanation for it may have been tricky, but the PT actually made it worse by showing that Anakin had a strong connection to his mother, and that his mother's grave was on the grounds of the Lars homestead. If he had decided to visit his mother's grave (and nothing we're shown in the PT gives the Jedi an ironclad assurance that he wouldn't) he could have easily bumped into a kid named Luke Skywalker, and the jig would have been up right there. Why would the Jedi have chosen to hide him there of all places, especially while letting him take the name "Skywalker"? That's simply left unexplained. We, the audience, are left to either assume that the Jedi are just kind of dumb, or that Obi-wan and Yoda know something that we don't. Either way, it's just one of those niggling little things that pops up when creating a long and complicated narrative.

 

Yoda was already going somewhat crazy by the time Luke got to Dagobah (he was faking some of it, obviously), so having to deal with two children would have just made things worse.

 

If you take the view that the children of Jedi are something the Emperor would want to hunt down, like Jedi themselves, Luke being on Anakin's home planet, is still problematic.

 

Have many of you forgotten that both Vader and Palpatine believed that Padme had died before she could give birth? The brief sequence featuring Padme's funeral revealed a fake pregnancy bump, while her body was being conveyed through the streets of Theed. Leia ended up on a planet where a good number of Force-sensitive citizens never became part of the Jedi and Luke ended up in the far reaches of the galaxy hardly ever attracted both the Republic or the Empire's notice.

And wasn't it Owen and Beru who had decided that Luke would use the Skywalker name? I doubt that Obi-Wan or Yoda had any influence on that decision.

 

Perhaps you have forgotten that Yoda and Obi-Wan think that this will not be enough, the children must still be hidden, taken somewhere where the Sith will not sense their presence. And split up as well.
So obviously they think that just having Padme appear pregnant at her funeral would not provide 100% protection. They need to do more.
And ESB proves them right, both Vader and Palpatine are able to sense Luke growing stronger in the Force and they make him a top priority.
The fact that they thought that the children died with Padme did not stop them from figuring out who Luke was.

If Luke had entered into the academy as he wanted, it is possible his name might have raised red flags so it seems risky to have him keep it.

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Actually, in real life it takes quite a while for a "pregnancy bump" to go down after birth- they wouldn't have needed to fake much.