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Why do people keep saying the Ewoks beat the stormtroopers? They didnt.

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by obi-rob-kenobi4, Feb 4, 2009.

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  1. vaders_cape

    vaders_cape Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Hey, I'm all for the under-dog - don't be deceived by my name - but it's not a shocking moment, that's a bit of an exaggeration. They did not beat the stormtroopers as in a single-handed defeat - they were an aide and a help to the Rebels, tis all.

    And even if they are as strong as apes - apes are as strong as apes and unfortunately for those fascinating creatures, humans are still going to be successful in destroying their habitat and descimating their numbers.

    I'm all for the romantic and hopeful notion of the symbolism behind the ewoks duffing up the stormtroopers, but it wasn't as simple as that pluckly little fellows though they were.
     
  2. obi-rob-kenobi4

    obi-rob-kenobi4 Jedi Master star 4

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    Yes but apes aren't as *smart* as Ewoks or else they would be a real threat to humans;).
     
  3. vaders_cape

    vaders_cape Jedi Youngling star 1

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    If apes were as smart as ewoks then the most they could do is build treehouses and lob stones! Unfortunately poachers would still have the last laugh with guns and chainsaws to fell the trees.

    At best the ewoks were a primitive tribe of tree-dwelling teddybears with a tendency towards eating their captives.

    It's a nice idea, but unfortunately those who wield large, destructive machines will always over-throw small, furry, stone-lobbing ankle-biters.

     
  4. Dark Lady Mara

    Dark Lady Mara Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Apes, or monkeys? 'Cause I think apes are arguably smarter than Ewoks, they were just sadly deprived of larynxes by evolution and can't have spoken language like the Ewoks have. :p
     
  5. vaders_cape

    vaders_cape Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Interesting point. Are you aware of the orangutan who was taught sign-language? Now she was a smart ape - and she wouldn't have eaten you either.

    So is it the lack of speech which has kept apes from building tree-huts do you think? This could be controversial, suggesting that apes are smarter than ewoks though.....
    ;)
     
  6. Merlin_Ambrosius69

    Merlin_Ambrosius69 Jedi Master star 5

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    Well, elaborate tool crafting, architecture, religion and music-making are other cultural elements that distinguish Ewoks from terrestrial simians. Real-world apes are intelligent enough to acquire sign language, certainly, but as of 2009 any and all ape species have yet to develop a system of religious philosophy, to construct houses around a communal center, or to craft and play musical instruments. [face_monkey] :D
     
  7. obi-rob-kenobi4

    obi-rob-kenobi4 Jedi Master star 4

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    Exactly. Lets not forget the ability to make a bow & arrow, aim it, and hit your target.
     
  8. vaders_cape

    vaders_cape Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Lord luvaduck, you'd think you were describing Minoan culture rather than ewoks!
    ;)
     
  9. ilikelightsabers

    ilikelightsabers Jedi Youngling

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    they kinda beat the storm troopers if you think about it well they killed a lot of them so ya.
     
  10. vaders_cape

    vaders_cape Jedi Youngling star 1

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    You think that ewoks are on a cultural par with the ancient Minoans....? Minoans who built temples, sewer facilities and had a writing system? And ewoks - wee furry critters who jump at the sight of a helmet being removed?

    ;)

    Would any Classicists like to comment?
     
  11. Hernalt

    Hernalt Force Ghost star 4

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    I thought the sequence of events was as follows:
    1) Rebel team (1 dozen? 2 dozen warm bodies) goes to forest moon without any hope of assistance.
    2) By accident, the leaders/heros are involved with the Ewoks, who provide _information_ about the back door to the bunker.
    3) _On his own volition_, Wicket Winchester Warrett III, Esq., _takes it upon himself_ to go steal a speeder bike and thereby provide a diversion.
    4) The advantage of this diversion is short lived, because the Rebel team does not post guards outside the bunker, and because reinforcement Imperials arrive ("Rebel scum!").
    5) Exterior to bunker, the Imperials _Know Full Well_ that they are not dealing with a domestic disturbance / insurgence of a native population. They are holding prisoner highly armed Rebel soldiers who have been caught with enough TNT to destroy the shield generator and thereby leave the DSII defenseless.

    Everything up to now has recognizable motivation: Although from a directorial standpoint the Ewoks were to provide a diversion, they were not a diversion that the Rebel team was _counting upon_ as a tactical component of their plan.

    6) So some Ewoks blow some horns, signaling to the viewer the clarion promise of the element of surprise.

    7) From the movie itself, it appears that the Imperial command structure utterly forgets that they have been holding prisoner dangerous highly armed human Rebel soldiers, and somehow choose to go chasing down the insurgent native population with just about everything they have, as if there had been No dangerous party of highly armed Rebels with TNT, but that this was just another Sunday morning in Baghdad.

    I do not understand this last decision on the Imperials' part.

    Did I miss some clew of motivation? I'd love to have a harmonious Endor experience.
     
  12. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It's the usual Imperial response to a surprising situation without someone telling them what to do. :p


    And given that the Rebels were completely unable to get inside the bunker outside of tricking people inside, it didn't really matter-the stormtroopers had Han, Leia, 3PO, and R2 pinned down and unable to move anywhere until late in the game.
     
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