Why does the roadrunner always win over the coyote? (A cliché in cartoons)

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  1. Amidala_Skywalker Manager Emeritus

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    I find myself frustrated when I look back at those cartoons I used to watch and love when I was younger. I always found that the roadrunner managed to outsmart the poor coyote every time, and never did his trick work correctly. As I got older, I progressed into watching other cartoons ? Tweetie and Sylvester, Tom and Jerry ? and each showed the same similarity. The good guy always won.

    I understand how children liked to see that happen - but what if some are supporters of the bad guy? Couldn?t they win out evenly to make each episode different? Are all cartoons becoming like this - where the baddy is injured by his own trick, and the goody carries on?

    The constant likenesses cartoons mirror to each other disturbs me. New things - not the same old, same old - intrigue children.

    Are classic cartoons becoming clichés?

    Am [face_love]
  2. Jedi knight Pozzi Force Ghost

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    `Couldn?t they win out evenly to make each episode different?'

    The Road runner needs to win everytime. Wild E. Coyote needs to win just once.

    `Are classic cartoons becoming clichés?'

    Classics generally do in any case. :)
  3. Rogue_Product Jedi Master

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    This is simply the role of entertainment. The bad guy always loses and the good guy always wins... It's what people want to see and it sells stuff - an age old cliche, but nothing will ever change.

    As for the coyote and roadrunner... it's a classic formula, why change it?
  4. Herman Snerd Force Ghost

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    If the coyote wins, the roadrunner gets eaten. So by definition, you can't have the coyote win.

    Oddly, though, in this example it's the coyote who is the interesting character of the two. His perseverence in the face of futility is what defines him. I never watched to see how the roadrunner was going to escape, I watched to see how the coyote was going to screw up..
  5. Princess_Tina Jedi Grand Master

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    I always felt so *sorry* for that dumb coyote... :)
  6. Yodave27 Jedi Master

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    As others have said before me, Wile E. Coyote, Tom and Sylvester only have to win once. But I wouldn't call them bad, they're just looking for a meal. They're not trying to kill them, they're trying to eat them. Their motivations aren't bad, they're good.

    Besides, those three are more interesting than their counterparts.
  7. Princess_Tina Jedi Grand Master

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    "Their motivations aren't bad, they're good."

    Good for the predator, not for the prey.
  8. waheennay Jedi Master

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    I think Chuck Jones said that the Roadrunner never really defeats the Coyote. The Coyote is done in by his own ineptitude, and his reliance on the ACME company!
  9. Rogue1-and-a-half Manager Emeritus who is writing his masterpiece

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    So, not to read too much into this, the cartoons then become sort of a satire on the technological age?

    In that case, then we need to watch them again and keep watching them. The warning: an overreliance on technology spells doom. I think we could stand to be reminded of that.

    Plus, I'm not sure why we want the bad guys to win in kiddie cartoons. I mean, this isn't One Eyed Jacks or Shampoo. We're not looking for deep and meaningful statements on where true victory lies and how one can win and lose at the same time or that the bad guy wins occasionally.

    I'm looking to see somebody get an anvil on the head, gosh darn it. Leave the social comments to Kubrick. ;)
  10. Lord_Fett Jedi Master

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    Coyote VS Road-Runner(here in Portugal we call him Beep-Beep :) )represents IMHO the victory of the natural world against the high-tech world-the RR almost never uses technology,he relies most in his own ability to outsmart the Coyote.The Coyote is also betrayed by the same high-tech equipments.

    Tom VS Jerry represents the victory of brains against muscles.In the shows both of them use startagies but Jerry is clearly brighter then Tom.

    But then,the fun part of both shows is to watch the failure of Tom and Coyote.~They are,no doubt,the funnier characters in their shows.
  11. Herman Snerd Force Ghost

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    The roadrunner may have wit, but he also has the uncanny ability to run through a tunnel that's only been painted on a rock wall. :eek:

    While I don't doubt that pretty much any hidden meaning can be extrapolated from these cartoons by someone properly motivated, I've always viewed them as just fun to watch.

    Who wouldn't laugh when Daffy Duck gets shot point blank by Elmer Fudd and his bill spins around his head? [face_mischief]
  12. Gandalf the Grey Jedi Grand Master

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  13. Princess_Tina Jedi Grand Master

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    I really think the coyote should have just sued the ACME company for damages...
  14. Uruk-hai Jedi Youngling

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    I've a question: If the Coyote could afford to buy all those Acme gadgets that kept backfiring on him, why didn't he just order a pizza?
  15. Princess_Tina Jedi Grand Master

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    "If the Coyote could afford to buy all those Acme gadgets that kept backfiring on him, why didn't he just order a pizza?"

    Because he was outside the delivery area...
  16. Zaz Jedi Grand Master

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    After awhile, it's not just a meal. It's Moby Dick and the great white whale. :D

  17. Uruk-hai Jedi Youngling

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    I thought Moby Dick was the great white whale.
  18. Zaz Jedi Grand Master

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    You are absolutely right, of course. I meant Ahab and the great white whale. [face_laugh]

  19. Uruk-hai Jedi Youngling

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    I really wanted Tweety to be eaten by Silvester, I hate that loudmouth little twerp. Speedy Gonzales also needed to run into a mousetrap.

    Why did they make these little guys so irritating? Roadrunner was OK because he never said anything except with the aid of a hand held sign.
  20. Zaz Jedi Grand Master

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    The wit of the Roadrunner cartoons was also all visual. Everybody knew the plot; that wasn't important. If you want to a more interesting variation, there are some that pit Wile against Bugs Bunny. However, the wit goes verbal; Wile not only talks, he has a cultivated Brit accent and a massive ego. The result, however, is the same. The point is not will he lose (we know he will), but what new way he will invent to screw himself over.

    I suspect that this is a metaphor for the human condition. :D


  21. Paranorina Jedi Master

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    I really think the coyote should have just sued the ACME company for damages...

    But he never does get hurt does he? Even if he get hit by his own rocket, fall of a cliff and have a piano landing on him, hes always out hunting the roadrunner a few minuts later.
  22. TIEace Jedi Grand Master

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    IMO, it's the classic 'good will always triumph over evil'.

    Wile E. Coyote is the man...er...male coyote. He should've nabbed that pesky critter plenty of times.
  23. Princess_Tina Jedi Grand Master

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    But he never does get hurt does he? Even if he get hit by his own rocket, fall of a cliff and have a piano landing on him, hes always out hunting the roadrunner a few minuts later.

    What about all the emotional suffering he endured as a result of those stupid ACME products?
    I still think he had a pretty good case against them... ;)
  24. Yodave27 Jedi Master

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    You know that would have made the greatest Looney Toones ever, Wile E. Coyote on a shrink's couch. We (nor he) ever see the shrink until the end when it's the roadrunner.

    "Thanks alot Doctor, you really helped me out. I feel like a new coyote."

    "Beep Beep."

    "Ahhhh!!!11!!!1"
  25. ADMIRALSPUZZUM Jedi Master

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    Because if coyote ate roadrunnner, then you couldn't make any new episodes.
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