ST Why don’t these movies “FEEL” like Star Wars?

Why dont these movies feel like something in a galaxy far far away?

Where are all the thermal detonators, aliens, bounty hunters? These new movies outside of rogue one just do not feel like star wars. Even with the music the orginal 6 had a quirky star wars feel to them. The chase scene in coruscant in ep 2 or the music when han was being carried off on slave 1 in empire. That type of music and placement.

Also my biggest gripe which has been said numerous times lucas made sure to introduce people to a new world in every movie. With this he showed the world on a massive scale and it felt like you were a part of it. How can disney not get this right? Why doesnt this new trilogy feel like star wars?

 

Because they are not written by the GREAT storyteller "George Lucas"!

 

I thought rogue one did a good job. You're right though, the "not rebels" always felt too human centric. Not one twilik commando on crait?! come on guys. I saw nien nub and one of poe's friends, but thats about it. My guess, they story group doesn't have much vision out side of selling toys.

 

that's just like, your opinion man.

 

I can't answer this question for you, because as a 40-year old Star Wars fan, these new movies feel every bit like Star Wars as everything else.

 

They are too juvenile, and cheesy, and contrived.

Compare Han Leia and Luke to Rey, Finn, Poe. Rey is the only one who remotely resembles them in maturity and poise.

Leia flying in space, really?

The casino planet itself is ridiculous and doesn't fit into the sw universe. They might as well have just shot in Vegas.

The humor they use is mostly so out of place, it's what you expect to see in a comic book/superhero movie.

Some way over the top action sequences.

 

Funny thing is the more aliens you have, the more toys you can sell.

Most of this movie took place in space. Canto Bight had a few aliens but none that really stood out for more than a few seconds. Even aliens from the older movies that appeared for a few seconds had an identity to them. I really think the franchise could use work from Jim Henson's Creature Shop. The aliens in TFA cantina were just forgettable.

 

the star wars "feel" varies depending on the fan. But I know what you mean. My question is does it really have to "feel like STAR WARS"? I mean I thought Ep7 felt as much like A NEW HOPE as possible. Is it bad that Episode 8 introduces a bunch of new stuff. I do think it would be nice to see FAMILIAR ALIENS. In the Casino on Canto Byte, I scanned the crowds and couldn't find one familiar alien -- they were all new. New species are fantastic, but Why would they not mix in ones we already know? Just seems like it would tie it in better, personally.

 

Mythos, philosophy, religious and spiritual essences are missing.

And George Lucas.

 

i think that missing "feeling" is the fact disney has taken out the classic Flash Gordan or Princess of Mars serial feel to the franchise. There is an inherent swashbuckling tone that heavily inspired Lucas but it is missing from all current iterations.

Lets put it this way do you see any moments in the new films like Leia kissing Luke in ANH right before he swings her to the rescue? Han Solo's scoundrel swagger in ESB or Jabba the Hut having a dancing sex slave? Political correctness has disney making these movies without the swashbuckling tone that defines these films. Instead we get a ton of forced feminst virtue signaling. It feels very ham fisted and on the nose. Rey telling Poe she doesn’t need him to hold her hand or Holdo berrating Poe for his masculinity. That is that missing "thing" you can't describe.

 

Because George was ignored.

 

They do feel like Star Wars films. The original trilogy was focused around human characters with aliens appearing every now and then, and that’s the same with this new trilogy. In fact, the originals only ever had human rebels except for Nien Nunb. There’s already been Nien Nunb, Ello Asty and C’ai Threnalli in this group of rebels over the past two films. Then of course there’s the famous Mos Eisley Cantina seqeuence in ANH. TFA has Maz’s Castle and TLJ had the Canto Bight Casino. Both of these were full of aliens. If you don’t feel like your watching Star Wars when Chewie is flying the Falcon on Crait, then you must be watching a different film.

 

Because they are not written by the GREAT storyteller "George Lucas"!

 

I think Lucas really helped. Man was a visionary who wasn't afraid to take you to weird planets and different cultures. Where Disney feels afraid to introduce really crazy ideas. Not to mention just Marvel-style antics that feel weird in the GFFA.

I also feel like Quantum said, it's really missing those interesting spiritual and philosophical ideas that 1-6 had. The mythology and lore is either barely explained or just empty.

I did like TLJ a lot tho. And IMO I do think Disney is moving in the right direction.

 

I do agree with the bounty hunter point. Bounty hunters are one of my favourite parts about Star Wars. Embo, Bossk, Cad Bane, Boba Fett and IG-88, etc. are all awesome. They had a great opportunity to do something awesome with Phasma (I know she’s not a bounty hunter, but she’s similar) but sadly didn’t use her to her full potential. Maybe if she comes back for episode 9 they can have her hunting the heroes down the whole time or something along those lines.

 

DP

"Everythings fine. How are you?"

 

Felt like SW to me. I'm an old school fan, who one might very well assume would hate the prequels, but I don't. They challenged the boundaries of what I able to process as SW, and thus expanded the boundaries. I've encountered plenty who will never count prequels as true SW, and even walked out before a few minutes of TPM and never looked back. I never took that attitude. By that measure alone, TLJ is consistent at least with the classic movies, with modern innovations.

The new film maybe emphasizes new or different things. But I think it's nice when they try for a balance between having their own voice, while maintaining a measure of consistency.

That's what TLJ seems to do. You and other feel differently. Which is fine, your definitely entitled to your opinion. And you're also spectacularly wrong, as well.

 

I have the answer to this:

It's the lack of droids! In the OT and the PT you see droids everywhere doing every mundane task. Droids are a big key to making Star Wars feel like Star Wars. Both ST movies suffer from this problem. If Lucas had created this there would have been droids in every scene on Canto Bight.

 

Sorry double post. This site is so slow right now

 

I have the answer to this:

It's the lack of droids! In the OT and the PT you see droids everywhere doing every mundane task. Droids are a big key to making Star Wars feel like Star Wars. Both ST movies suffer from this problem. If Lucas had created this there would have been droids in every scene on Canto Bight. And you probably wouldn't have seen a boy with a broom at the end.

 

Feels like SW to me. I got the same chill watching the opening crawl this weekend as I did in 1977.

 

Going to have to disagree. Between episodes 1-6, there was an overarching message to tell. A very specific but highly important narrative for the previous generation of young children, who have grown up as young adults today. The ST does not do that because they are going without a plan. Even more so than the OT.

It's very cynical of sorts, denying the past has any worth or semblance. Insulting the Jedi while forgetting who was the one distorting reality behind the scenes was a very big misunderstanding(this is just one of the points) of the truth. If the ST is willing to tear itself down to become nothing close to Star Wars as it once was, so be it. I'd rather them do that than tarnish and recycle elements to make it "feel" or have it being a simple parlor trick. An imitation.

TLJ is simply a literal deconstruction. Those supports beams Lucas has laid down from hard work? Tore them down. The roof, the windows and the base ground work? Replaced and demolished.

You know what Del, you have a valid and accurate statement. This is the best direction Disney can go, SHOULD go. Separating it's old body in exchange for a "bold" new one. Post-Modernism as I see it, is taking over so you might as well go with it if you keep trying to taint classical art.

 

This is a ridiculous thread. Everyone is going to have their own version of what is and isn't Star Wars. I think plenty of people feel that the new movies make perfectly fine Star Wars movies considering how well they are reviewed and how much money they are making. Yes I realize there are quite a few but hurt Luke fans that are mad at TLJ right now but even Ep, VIII was well received by a vast audience as well.

 

I don’t know about that. I’ve noticed heaps of droids in TFA and TLJ.

 

They felt like SW to me.

Probably helps that I've been reading, playing, watching SW books, comics, games and tv episodes (by many different people) since the 90's.

 

I wouldn't say that they never feel like star wars, but I feel like some important things are missing. They seem really allergic to doing any sort of worldbuilding. They don't want to expand upon the original series they just want to rehash the old stuff. A lot of the daring choices that the ST has made, just serve to prevent the basic themes from changing. It's forever locked in as a couple of force users in a rebellion vs empire conflict. You can't sell the galaxy as a real place if you don't want to treat it as one.