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PT why don't they use the force on grievous?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by darthbarracuda, Nov 19, 2012.

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  1. darthbarracuda

    darthbarracuda Jedi Knight star 3

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    Why doesn't any of Grievous' opponents use the Force on him while fighting him (with the exception of the Utapau battle in ROTS)? Grievous can't use the Force!
     
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  2. thesevegetables

    thesevegetables Jedi Knight star 4

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    It takes effort to use the Force. They can't use it whenever they want to.
     
  3. BoomBach

    BoomBach Jedi Youngling

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    For two reasons
    1.) in the position Kenobi was in, if he would of just forced crushed Grievous the droids around him would of gunned him down. Also Jedi of this era are known but being weaker than other eras.
    2.) it makes a better fight scene
     
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  4. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Yeah they can. I think it has to do with most Jedi being hesitant on using the force to attack an opponent.
     
  5. thesevegetables

    thesevegetables Jedi Knight star 4

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    What I was trying to say was that Jedi can't just maintain a consistent application of Force power indefinitely. They need "recharging".
     
  6. rumsmuggler

    rumsmuggler Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Gotcha..
     
  7. Lars_Muul

    Lars_Muul Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Says which movie?





    "That's not true!"
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  8. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Force Ghost star 6

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    Since this is the prequels boards, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

    IIRC Grievous only encounters Jedi twice in the PT. The first time he escapes before the Jedi really have a chance to focus on him, the second time Kenobi pwns Grievous with the Force.

    Also, since they're movies, the Jedi can't simply use the Force as an "I win" button, because that would be boring.
     
  9. Darth_Kiryan

    Darth_Kiryan Jedi Master star 4

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    IF ONLY....

    .....IF ONLY!
     
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  10. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 9

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    Obi-Wan uses The Force on Grievous to make him drop his lightsabers at one point in RoTS.
     
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  11. Vialco

    Vialco Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Kit Fisto answers this well.


    "Those who have power should restrain themselves from using it."

    The Jedi believe in using "necessary Force" and nothing more. To use all your power in every situation is considered overkill by Jedi, and to overuse the Force can lead to the dark side.

    As for Grievous, I would imagine it difficult to concentrate enough to Force Push a cyborg when he's waving 4 lightsabers inches from your face. It's a testament to Obi-Wan's skill and power that he could.
     
  12. JoeyArnold

    JoeyArnold Jedi Youngling star 3

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    because they were kind of intimidated by a self-proclaimed jedi killer
     
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  13. Sitara

    Sitara Jedi Master star 3

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    The first time, Grievous ran away. The second time, Kenobi pwned him by using the Force. Though yes, in their unarmed duel Kenobi should have used the force again but I guess he didn't have time.

    Keep in mind Grievous sucked as a combatant. His value was as a general. He was not really a Jedi 'killer'. It was his overwhelming number of droids and magnaguard who killed Jedi and gave Grievous their Lightsabers, like they tried to kill Kenobi but he caused a large piece of scenery to fall on them and crush them.
     
  14. The Man Who Sold the Moon

    The Man Who Sold the Moon Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I always assumed his body has some degree of imunity to the force. My retcon is that it was strenghtened against those kind of attacks by some sort of sith magic.
     
  15. darthbarracuda

    darthbarracuda Jedi Knight star 3

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    I thought that maybe he has his claws stuck into the ground, and his feet are also magnetic. but idk
     
  16. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Jedi use the Force on living beings pretty sparingly, if at all-I mean, would have been pretty easy to just Force-shove Maul off those catwalks, right? Obi-Wan and Yoda don't even employ so much as a Force push when they engage that pile of clones on the Jedi temple roof. And Grievous is still "alive"...technically, anyways.
     
  17. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost star 7

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    Actually, they do.
     
  18. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Do they? Still, they don't use it much.
     
  19. tsunami1138

    tsunami1138 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    In answer to the original question;

    Because gathering the Force to push around several hundred kilograms of cyborg takes a little time. And that time is hard to find when said cyborg is swinging four stolen lightsabers around fast enough to break the sound barrier.
     
  20. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost star 7

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    Size matters not... except when it does.
     
  21. Sistros

    Sistros Jedi Master star 6

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    as someone said it makes for a better fight scene

    ever heard of movie logic?

    movies would be strictly 10 minutes long if they followed logical routes
     
  22. tsunami1138

    tsunami1138 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I think, to be honest, that little comment by Yoda was meant to insinuate that, given enough time, you can use the Force to move anything. Of course, it's going to take a little longer to shift a starfighter than a rock; a little longer than that to move a Star Destroyer from the heavens. Given enough patience, a Jedi could probably move an entire world.
     
  23. darthbarracuda

    darthbarracuda Jedi Knight star 3

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    Well, they can't really do that to a Force wielder. I mean I guess they could if they caught the other off guard but look at the Mustafar duel in ROTS. Obi and Anakin and dueling and then they suddenly push at each other's hands with the Force and it blasts them both backwards. So I'm betting you can block someone's usage of the Force.

    What would be interesting is if you are in space, could you literally pull yourself to an object, or would the object be pulled to you? Could you use the Force as a means of transport?
     
  24. Sitara

    Sitara Jedi Master star 3

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    Wrong. Recall what happened when Obi Wan and Anakin tried to Force Push each other during their duel in ROTS. Maul however, was able to Force Push Obi Wan pretty easily, due to his superior knowledge the Force.

    Also, how the heck is Grievous 'not dead'? I'm pretty sure he died in ROTS...
     
  25. tsunami1138

    tsunami1138 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    It wasn't Maul's "superior knowledge" that allowed him to do that, if he has superior knowledge at all, which I'm doubtful of.

    As explained in many books, notably in the Darth Bane trilogy, a Jedi or Sith, when commencing combat, will throw up a Force-shield of sorts, which prevents other Force-users from picking them up and throwing them around. However, if said shield is lowered, say, because you're not thinking clearly, or you're particularly angry or upset, then the Force-user you're battling can grab you like a pebble. I think it's fair to say that, having just witnessed his Master's death, Obi-Wan briefly loses control, allowing Maul to use the Force on him.
     
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