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Why has there been so few space battles in cinema?

Discussion in 'Archive: The Amphitheatre' started by BobaFrank, Mar 8, 2004.

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  1. BobaFrank

    BobaFrank Jedi Youngling star 5

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    Movies I can reference with space battles.

    TPM
    AOTC
    ANH
    ESB
    ROTJ
    ST II: Wrath of Kahn
    ST III: Search for Spock
    ST VI: The Undiscovered Country
    The Last Starfighter
    Enemy Mine
    ST: First Contact

    These are the only ones that come to mind right now. I'm sure more can be added, but still, there have been tens of thousands of movies produced over the decades and yet we have this few movies with space battles? Surely more can be done?
     
  2. Dani1138

    Dani1138 Jedi Master star 3

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    Star Treks Generations, Insurrection and Nemesis also have space battles.

    Beyond that, I'm having a hard time thinking of many right now. Theres always Battle Beyond the Stars, and, um, Monty Python and the Life of Brian as well.
     
  3. wild_karrde

    wild_karrde Jedi Grand Master star 7

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  4. darkcide

    darkcide Jedi Master star 4

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    Don't forget Mel Brooks History of the World. JEWS...IN...SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!
     
  5. Errant_Venture

    Errant_Venture Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    My guess is it is due to the resources that it takes to create a decent space combat. It is similiar to why war movies are so expensive, it costs a lot to create the ships/uniforms, special effects, etc.

    Their was also a space battle in Wing Commander.
     
  6. I_AM_A_CLONER

    I_AM_A_CLONER Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Where was there a space battle in AotC?

    The Cloner
     
  7. Ulkesh2

    Ulkesh2 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Do not forget The Last Starfighter! Sure wish someone would make a sequel to that one. Heh-heh-heh...
     
  8. -_-_-_-_-_-

    -_-_-_-_-_- Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I think it's mainly due to the fact that the Star Wars saga has set the bar so high for space battles. Many directors and writers are afraid to venture into the realm merely out of fear of being sub-par in comparison.
     
  9. BobaFrank

    BobaFrank Jedi Youngling star 5

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    "Where was there a space battle in AotC?"

    When Obi and Jango battled in the asteriod belt.



    "Do not forget The Last Starfighter! Sure wish someone would make a sequel to that one. Heh-heh-heh..."

    I didn't. ;) I consider the space battle in The Last Starfighter to be one of the best ever. The Gunstars are awesome and the Death Blossom was genious. I wish they would do a sequel as well. Btw, it was the first movie to have an all cgi space battle. Impressive since it was done in 86'.
     
  10. I_AM_A_CLONER

    I_AM_A_CLONER Jedi Padawan star 4

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    "When Obi and Jango battled in the asteriod belt."


    Yes!! You are right! Somehow I always forget to think of that one!

    The Cloner
     
  11. Ty-gon Jinn

    Ty-gon Jinn Jedi Padawan star 4

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    There was a battle early on in Lost In Space, as well...

    I think it's because space travel is not really a part of life as we know it. There aren't many occasions for a space battle in simple fiction, and let's face it... you could always create an excuse for space battles by creating your own galaxy full of futuristic technology and a widespread civil war, but I'd like to see you do it without copying Star Wars. ;)
     
  12. ArnaKyle

    ArnaKyle Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Probably has nothing to do with it, but space battles in film defy ALL science--technically there would be no sound or explosion, which would make for a very dull battle.

    Of course, everyone wants the cool battles, so I doubt that its filmmakers wanting to be reasonably scientifically accurate.
     
  13. DS615

    DS615 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Off the top of my head:
    The Fifth Element
    Flash Gordon (Serials)
    Flash Gordon
    Starship Troopers
    Ice Pirates
    Galaxy Quest
    Battle Beyond the Stars
    Battlestar Galactica
    Independence Day
    Starship Invasions

    And Money is likely the big issue. Mostly though, I'd say it has to do with Sci-Fi not being a huge market to begin with.

     
  14. BobaFrank

    BobaFrank Jedi Youngling star 5

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    I think sci-fi is a big market. The PT and the Matrix trilogy proved that and there is still more coming.
     
  15. DarthMak

    DarthMak Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    My theory has always been that filmmakers are afraid of doing space battles because critics will consider them Star Wars rip-offs, simply because the space battles in ANH blew everyone away. I look at Independence Day, great movie, ton of fun, but most critics just looked at it as Star Wars on Earth.
     
  16. wstraka5

    wstraka5 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Dude, how can you forget the epic battle in Spaceballs? That was a great battle. Especially the last battle with the transformed "Spaceball 1" sucking all of the air off of Druidia. Spaceballs had some epic battles. :p

    But seriously, just about every sci-fi movie which is based in space has had some sort of battle in space, whether long or very brief.
     
  17. DS615

    DS615 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The PT and the Matrix trilogy proved that.

    Yes, and there was no Sci-Fi at all before Matrix. Certianly nothing "big". It's not like there was an E.T., or Close Encounters, or Flash Gordon, or Last Starfighter, or Star Wars, or Star Trek.

    Thank God for the Matrix. ;)

     
  18. BobaFrank

    BobaFrank Jedi Youngling star 5

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    I think your taking this out of context. We are talking about why there are so few SPACE BATTLES in film considering there are tens of thousands of movies. I was merely mentioning recent sci-fi movies.

    Did you not see The Last Starfighter and SW and ST mentioned in my original post? Close Encounters and E.T. don't have Space Battles in them. Not trying to argue, but it seems you were being little sarcastic.
     
  19. DS615

    DS615 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I was, you're right. Sorry if I offended.

    You suggested that the Matrix (a movie with no space battles) "proved" that Sci-fi was popular. I was merely pointing out that Sci-fi did not begin in the 1990's.

    My point was that Sci-fi isn't a large genere, and the projects in it are always dubed a risk by the studio. Drama, Comedy, Romance, and Action/Adventure are all generes that have a high profit-to-cost ratio, so they are made more often, and hence, are more popular for a studio to make.


     
  20. Darth_Imran

    Darth_Imran Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The battle between Jango and Ben in AOTC was visually beautiful. It was really a high point for the saga in terms of dog fighting in space. Also, the little nod to the OT and Han was nice (Obi-Wan hiding on the asteroid).

    The reason why there haven?t been too many is because "space battle" is something very specific. When we see those words, we associate ships or vehicles, if you will, in space, battling one another. Thus, many films have a form of space battle, just not taking place in space. ;)
     
  21. BobaFrank

    BobaFrank Jedi Youngling star 5

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    DS615,

    No offense taken. It's all good. :) You would think after all these years with the successes of sci-fi movies we've already mentioned, the studios wouldn't be so afraid to take a chance.
     
  22. MariahJade2

    MariahJade2 Former Fan Fiction Archive Editor star 5 VIP

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    And yet television has been doing it for years from Flash Gordon all the way up to Star Trek, BG,B5 et al.

    Course the best were done Saturday morning toontime. ;)
     
  23. TCM-74

    TCM-74 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I think the biggest reason there are not many space battle/space opera films being made is solely because of artistic inclination. And because Star Wars pretty much covered all the ground. But mostly artistic inclination. Most sci-fi material story-wise is usually told on a much smaller scale though it can contain monumental meaning and/or plot devices.
     
  24. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Babylon 5- some of the best, rivals ROTJ.
     
  25. Jedi_Queen_Mx

    Jedi_Queen_Mx Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Money, money, and more money. Honey.
     
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