Why is pornography considered a degrading thing?

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  1. windue_likes_yoda Jedi Youngling

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    Why is pornography considered to be a degrading piece of work? People view it as dirty and destroying the moral thread. I disagree. I view pornography as a healthy expression of hormones and vitatlity. The rush we get from watching porn excites our senses, and lets us know we are alive! It lets us feel young again! It's all just a healthy expression of sexuality and there is nothing wrong with it. I beleive the restrictions on porn should be loosened, allowing it into more mainstream media. It will help people relax more and stimulate them sexually, in a positive way of course. This new feeiling of sexuality may even lead to us feeling better about ourselves.


    So all in all, porn is a good thing and lets see more of it!!!

    PORN ALL THE WAY!!!!
  2. Cyprusg Jedi Master

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    We live in a Christian society, for better or worse. If we just opened the flood gates to pornography on TV it would really destructive to our society, it needs to be a gradual thing. Porn is gradually becoming more and more accepted, and I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing boobies on TV within 30 years in America.

    But I do think porn is a healthy thing. I've certainly got no problems with it.
  3. Darth Mischievous Force Ghost

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    LOL

    Porn healthy? I think not, except for hand grip and wrist strength for those watching it.

    Many of the actors have serious issues, including sexual abuse and such. This isn't to mention the HIV epidemic going on now in CA where a bunch of them have tested positive for it when a parter was infected unbeknownst to them.

    No emotionally healthy person would participate in exposing themselves in such a fashion for all the world to see and degrade themselves for money.

    After the money is made and the actors get old, what do you have left? You spent your life being a whore without any sense of true love or commitment. A wasted, empty life.

    Do you think any person with any sense of upstanding character would marry a porn star?

    HA

    You'd have to be NUTS.

    (pun intended)
  4. Cyprusg Jedi Master

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    Many of the actors have serious issues, including sexual abuse and such. This isn't to mention the HIV epidemic going on now in CA where a bunch of them have tested positive for it when a parter was infected unbeknownst to them.

    No emotionally healthy person would participate in exposing themselves in such a fashion for all the world to see and degrade themselves for money.


    But you're getting your views on what's "healthy" because our Christian society tells you to think that way. Porn doesn't have to be unhealthy for the actors/actresses, when I said it was healthy I meant from a viewers perspective.

    If we didn't live in a sexually repressed society you would have more people openly expressing themselves through pornography. But because it's looked down upon you find mostly women that were sexually abused as children or have been raped or have had very bad childhoods, etc.. etc.. But it surely doesn't have to be that way.
  5. Darth Mischievous Force Ghost

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    because our Christian society tells you to think that way


    No one tells me how to think. I think for myself, unlike the liberal assumption that traditionalists can't think.

    If we didn't live in a sexually repressed society you would have more people openly expressing themselves through pornography


    If you have a daughter, then encourage her to become a porn star then.

    ...

    I thought not.
  6. Cyprusg Jedi Master

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    We're all a product of our environment, nobody is an independent thinker, I'm just not too stuck on myself to admit it. I would definitely have a problem with my daughter being in porn because we live in a Christian society. If I wasn't brought up in a home where sex was considered bad and sexual expression was considered unhealthy and if society didn't feel that same way I don't see why I would have a problem with my daughter making porn.

    There is nothing inheritantly wrong with sexual intercourse, there is nothing inheritantly with expressing yourself sexually, and there is nothing inheritantly with watching other people have sex. Sex is a wonderful thing, it's unfortunate that we live in a society that views it as unhealthy.
  7. Jedi_Hood Force Ghost

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    There is nothing inheritantly wrong with sexual intercourse

    Of course not. I have yet to meet a single person who thinks that sex, in and of itself, is bad.

    there is nothing inheritantly with expressing yourself sexually, and there is nothing inheritantly with watching other people have sex.

    .....in your opinion. Other people might see it differently.
  8. Cyprusg Jedi Master

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    We naturally like sex, we like performing it, we like sharing it, we like showing it, and we like watching it, IT'S BIOLOGICAL. If you feel differently it's because society or religion (they go hand in hand in this case) tells you to feel that way. Feelings of guilt or disgust towards certain sexual acts are a cause of the society we live in, it's not biological.
  9. Branthoris Jedi Knight

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    I don't think that there's anything specifically wrong with porn per se, though there are definitely issues with certain sectors of the porn industry that need to be dealt with. If people want to watch porn and get pleasure from it, I have no problem with that.

    Nevertheless, I don't want porn on mainstream TV, and it shouldn't become a normal social thing either. If people want to watch porn, that's their choice, but there's no need for porn to be forced on us from sunrise to sunset.
  10. yoda_likes_butts Jedi Youngling

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    I agree with poster for porn being more open. All it is is a healthy expression of sexual feelings and because society tells us it's bad, we say we don't like it and that it's degrading to the moral character. But it's not! It's relaxing, its fun, it's good to use for ideas yourself (you know what i'm sayin') and if you do have a daughter that wants to make porn, let her do it!

    It's her life!
  11. Epicauthor Force Ghost

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    I agree with Branthoris. Porn is good, but shouldn't be on mainstream TV.

    The actors are over 18, the peopple watching are over 18....where's the problem? I don't see one.

    And if my daughter wants to be a porn star, I say go for it. If it makes her happier than anything else, who am I to tell her to stop (again if she's over 18)?

    Porn is one of those things which needs to stay legal in order to keep the rights of the minority intact. There is no reason NOT to have porn (except it offends people's sensibilities) if there is a market for it.

    I don't want anyone telling me what I can and can't watch. I love it, my girl loves it....and we will keep on buying it.
  12. yoda-eats-cake Jedi Youngling

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    I wholeheartedly agree with Epic. Porn is good and we shouldn't be restricted from viewing it because we have First Amendment rights. Porn is just a healthy expression of sexuality.

    But I do say there should be easier access to it, possibly even lowering the age limit that you are allowed to buy porn. Just because some people are under 18 does that mean they are not fully applicable to the First Amendment? And if they're not, does that not make them full citizens of our nation?

    Porn is good and not bad as our society has grinded into us. It should be allowed more into the mainstream and people should just loosen up over the whole topic.

  13. Gonk Jedi Grand Master

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    Porn's a toughie. Because on one hand since the 1970s you've had a very regulated industry (I think it was Traci Lords who was a main instigator in that when she claimed she was forced into her early films) that is very conductive to shutting down quickly as soon as its known one of the actors on a label has HIV and the actors are tested regularly, plus the actors themselves are largely doing what they want to be doing. There are some that aren't, but those aren't considered the 'legitimate' sort.

    Um... never mind how I know this stuff... move along, move along...

    Anyway, on the other hand, DM and the rest on what one might consider the 'right' are not without thier major points, as I see it. Why are people in the industry at all? They have a right to do it, but is it 'right' to do it? Porn is, after all, the antithesis of meaningful sex. It has no meaning at all, it's just fun. And its one thing to play a ball game just for fun, but its another to have sex just for fun. Anyone who tells you 'it's just sex' and 'sex isn't a big deal' is forgetting the fact that that 'sex sells'. If it wasn't a big deal there'd be no money in it, it wouldn't be such a weight around people's necks in adolscence and people wouldn't have bothered getting married since the dawn of time. 99.98% of our interactions with other people usually take place with our clothes on, after all.

    There's another thought to be considered: if you watch porn, are you a participant? I mean, if you're paying you're creating a demand but I've met people (ok, one guy) who have rules of 'non-payment'. His thinking being if he has to pay for it he won't watch it because that would create a demand for it. But if its there in his face and the whole thing is already over and done with on camera, why not? Does watching porn also infer that you'd necessarily want to be there when the act was being filmed, or want to meet the people involved, or does this make no difference?
  14. Devilanse Jedi Grand Master

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    Porn is considered degrading because its just sex...no one is being shot, stabbed, beaten, hung, poisoned, etc.

    Porn needs more shootings to be better accepted.
  15. Branthoris Jedi Knight

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    There are enough threads on the US Constitution already. This isn't an appropriate place to discuss the First Amendment.

    But as far as the actual principle of government regulation is concerned, it is acceptable for the purpose of keeping porn to its proper limits (i.e. not forced on people every time they turn on the TV), and for protecting those within the porn industry from exploitation. But when porn becomes a truly victimless 'crime', then it is no crime at all, and government should not interfere.
  16. darkcide Jedi Master

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    One of the porn stars who recently tested positive for HIV in California had been working in the adult industry for only three months.
  17. Nrf-Hrdr Jedi Master

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    "If you have a daughter, then encourage her to become a porn star then"

    Would you actively encourage your son to be a janitor? I don't think anyone is suggesting that being a porn star is an ideal job. I wouldn't particularly want one of my kids to be a porn star any more then I'd want them to have a career any number of jobs I considered undesireable, but in any such case my stance is that if they're earning at least enough to get by, and they genuinely enjoy it, who am I to tell them how to live their lives?

    Most of the criticisms here seem to be dealing with specific issues regarding the modern porn industry, and somewhat presumptuous attacks on the people that make the stuff, rather then any real criticism of pornography as a fundamental concept. If there was an ideal industry with absolutely no level of exploitation and vigilant health systems, would there be any legitimate reason to stop the making and use of pornography?
  18. Darth Mischievous Force Ghost

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    I just knew someone would make the foolish assertion that being a porn star is equitable to a janitor.

    Being a janitor is honorable work, albeit not glorious or lucrative.

    There is no comparison here.
  19. anakin_girl Jedi Grand Master

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    Devilanse is right, at least in North America, where it's OK to show Orc heads on a stick but it's not OK to show a boob.

    Why is porn degrading? I don't think it has to be, but here's my take on it:

    A few times when I've been irritated on my job (especially the place where I worked a few years ago, where my boss was a fascist dictator and a sexist), I've made comments, only half-joking, about how I could make $400 a night as a stripper. But here's why I wouldn't do it: you have fat, nasty, greasy, smelly men grabbing at your legs, your butt, your breasts, and if you want to make money, you can't do anything about it. It's not like you have much choice in who you sleep with, either as a prostitute or a porn star--although I think as a porn star you do get a better pick, because no one wants to watch an ugly guy get laid on television.

    I wouldn't make it illegal to either work as a porn star or sell porn, but it's not something I would either want to do myself or want my daughter to do.
  20. Gonk Jedi Grand Master

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    But here's why I wouldn't do it: you have fat, nasty, greasy, smelly men grabbing at your legs, your butt, your breasts, and if you want to make money, you can't do anything about it.

    In a lot of ways though, the conditions you would have to work in are not really the argument in and of itself. Those are incidental. The reasons people protest against porn and stripping are not really the conditions the participants work under, but that they are participating at all. And they do this with the presupposition (which I suppose is not always true but in many cases it is, as not everyone is in the same case) that it is not a life they are forced into.

    I'm reminded of a famous case in the... I think it was the Fresno area of someone who used to work for an aerotech company, then lost her job. Instead of getting another job in a related industry, she became a stripper. From there she went on to meet a lot of high class hollywood promoters and she eventually murdered one of them, though that's not the crux many would find in the case. The crux would be where the decision was made to jump from one profession to the other.
  21. Elfsheen Jedi Grand Master

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    We live in a Christian society

    That's interesting. Where? I certainly don't live in one.

    And I don't think pornagraphy has anything to do with a christian society. I can tell you right now that christian boys watch pornagraphy in secret. No matter how much their preachers tells them not to.

    You know why?

    Because it's considered a forbidden thing.

    I don't think pornoraphy is considered a degrading thing as long as both parties consent to it willingly and are not forced in any sort of way

    I can't see why it's an art, but then what is art. However, I can understand why people like to watch it or use it in their own sexual play.
  22. anakin_girl Jedi Grand Master

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    Art is very subjective, and yes, people will do a lot of things here in the US simply because they are forbidden. The illicitness encourages the thrill. The same is true with alcohol. For example, in the UK, it is perfectly normal to stop by a pub and have a pint after work. If you did that here, you would be labelled an alcoholic very quickly. It's a difference in attitude. Plus, you can buy alcohol when you're 16 there, and I've never heard of British teenagers having the trouble with excessive alcohol consumption the way American teenagers have. Of course, as my husband pointed out, Europeans are much more likely to take public transportation (I think we Americans could stand to give up our addiction to the automobile myself) and the drunk driving laws there are much more strict (something else I think America needs to adopt).

    But that's off topic--to relate it to what we were talking about, sex is another "taboo" subject here in America. We are taught that it is dirty and evil, forbidden--therefore we want it more. We won't allow the real version of Ewan McGregor's "Young Adam" film to be shown, we make a stink about the President getting some nookie, we won't allow any method of birth control to be taught in public school other than abstinence--and we've got a lot of teenagers having babies they're not prepared to have. Somehow I don't think this is going on in European countries.
  23. Elfsheen Jedi Grand Master

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    Nope it isn't. You put that very well.

    However different we may be, we still have some like thoughts about pornagraphy I think.
  24. MaceWinducannotdie Jedi Master

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    If I had a daughter I wouldn't want her to become a Republican, but that doesn't mean the GOP should be banned.
  25. JadeTrinity Jedi Knight

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    It is considered by some to be degrading because the person watching it is not in the act, he/she is just watching and/or masturbating to it. Plus, usually, the actors are simply acting out sexual acts (although there are bound to be exceptions). But, however, I think that if used to help give a relationship vitality or used for medical purposes ( donating semen, etc...) it is helpful and far from degrading. I suppose what I'm implying is that it depends on its usage.
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