CT Why is Return Of The Jedi considered the weakest of the originals?

The Jabba scene shows clearly that Han is being given a little bit more time, and explains why he hangs around with the Rebels so long before being snapped back into reality by the bounty hunters Jabba is finally sending after him. It also shows that Jabba really was willing to give Han a second chance. When Han comes back to save Luke, he's not just throwing away a chance of making things right with Jabba--he's throwing away a sure bet. That's pretty important information that was never clearly communicated by the Greedo scene.

It's also worth noting that Marcia Lucas pushed for the scene to be kept specifically because it showed how fearless Han was. And if anything, Han stepping on Jabba's tail just makes him look even more fearless. Seems to me like George was just belatedly following the advice of the real genius behind Star Wars.

Anyway, I don't know why you think it's just there to show off. That doesn't make any sense. Who is he showing off to? Everyone's going to buy the movie either way. If anything, he's intentionally depriving himself of revenue from the few OOT purists who actually refuse to buy the altered versions. That's a drop in the bucket, to be sure, but it's still money being lost. So why do it? Why does George Lucas suddenly become an insanely bad businessman when it comes to selling his movies on home media?

 

When did this thread become
"A New Hope:Jabba's conversation with Han;The Deleted Scene which was restored for later releases "

 

Why is Return Of The Jedi considered the weakest of the originals?
Ewoks. That's it, that's all.

Actually, I find ANH the weakest out of the originals because it seems slow moving at some points and low budget... But I can see why ROTJ would be considered the weakest of the three. We have ANH, which is the start of the story, the introduction of the characters, the mystery of the Jedi, the Emporer, and the wrapped up conclusion of the DS being blown up. I've said it before, ANH could've easily stayed "Star Wars" and been a stand alone movie and it would've been just fine and made sense. That's good story telling.

ESB, we have Luke truly beginning his in depth training as a Jedi, the introduction of force ghosts and the great Jedi Master Yoda. We finally catch a glimpse of the Emporer and we are treated to a more in depth Darth Vader and his plight as a slave to the darkside.

ROTJ, like others have said, just seems....tired. They were ready to be done. Plus, the end of a trilogy will always be alittle off unless the director and writer are both gods of film. The beginning is regarded as the hardest part of a story to write, but that's only because it's so far from the challenge of wrapping up a story. ROTJ seemed random, Luke turning for a split second, Vader being shown as an almost powerless servant, and the randomness of Luke and Leia suddenly being siblings. Lando just being cool with the big three even though he gave a shrug of an apology for betraying Han, the mystery behind both Vader and the Emporer disappears. It's still a great movie, but I also had trouble with ROTJ for awhile, SW was always considered a movie for kids, but you can truly see the difference as it's suddenly mid 80's and feels more like an actual kids movie instead of an epic that can be geared towards all ages.

 

It starts to become very much the epic tale of the Skywalker family, the story which is then picked up on by the PT. ANH and TESB really weren't that. Whether that's good or bad is a matter of opinion, but it was certainly a change of emphasis.

 

How is TESB not that? It's the movie where it's first revealed that the primary antagonist up to this point is actually a Skywalker. The audience doesn't find that out until near the end of the movie, but in hindsight the rest of the movie was still designed to lead up to that revelation.

 

TESB, regardless of people's intentions in hindsight, feels to me like primarily Luke's story and the story of the Rebellion against the Empire. As does ANH. From 'I am your father' onwards, there is a shift away from that, in my perception.

 

I think he meant it ironically.

 

The scenes of the assault on the second Death Star are my favorite space fighter sequences of the series. I couldn't get enough of those as a kid.

 

My reasons:

1. Jabba's Palace does not mesh well with the rest of the plot of the film (although it's a great sequence of the film on it's own).
2. Boba Fett, bounty hunter, being reduced to an expendable henchman that is accidentally defeated by a blind man.
3. Han and Leia feel shoehorned in after Tatooine.
4. Ben's reasoning of lying to Luke about Vader.
5. Leia as Luke's sister reveal and Luke's reveal to Leia feels forced.
6. The Ewoks' designs looking more like stuffed animals than actual living beings.
7. The Emperor's best legion of troops are too easily defeated by the Ewoks.
8. The Empire losing a second Death Star and another high commander/leader due to the demised's overconfidence (even worse here because this time it was the Emperor and he knows the Rebellion destroyed the first Death Star).

Return of the Jedi is still a great film, but it's certainly my least favorite film of the saga.

 

I was indeed being ironic. Apologies for any confusion.

 

Growing up, ROTJ was my favorite hands down. But getting older, i think i realize that the movie was just more child friendly. Now, closing in on my 40's, i lean towards the first two films in the OT.

 

I think that it is the best of the Original Trilogy and I like that there is a second Death Star but I can see how some people think that it makes the storyline less worthwhile because the endings are similar!

 

Because the main plot was a bit of lazy retread, especially compared to ESB, in which you felt the real power that the Empire held over the people.

And teddy bears beat highly trained soldiers...

 

What they look like doesn't matter - only what they can do. And what they can do, is lay ambushes, build traps, and (at least once) take up their opponent's weaponry.

 

I could see different elements of Return of the Jedi improving it. The Ewoks could have been Wookies with Endor their homeworld. There is no second Death Star, instead Luke is taken to Imperial City (Coruscant) to see the Emperor. The Rebel fleet targets something else to destroy maybe like a slave camp for the Wookies or the Executor.

 

I have a hard time these days to enjoy ROTJ, but I liked it much more when I was younger and just for interest:

Yesterday my daughters, six and eight years, asked:

"Dad, can we watch Star Wars tonight? The last one! With the ewoks - they are GREAT!"

 

How much more dynamic would the Battle of Endor have been if something along the lines of the new Battlefront footage had been included?

 

I fail to see the problem with the Ewoks. I think they work better than, say, Wookies would have, because they represent the theme of the Empire always overlooking the little guy and getting nipped in the butt as a result (same thing in ANH with "the Empire doesn't consider one-man fighters to be of any threat, or they would have a tighter defense.)"

Plus they are hilarious (and cute!):


*Not sure if the quote is exactly right, but I think you all get my meaning

 

Wicket is hilarious and cute. The rest of those little demonic teddy bears were going to have Han, Luke and Chewie for dinner. Also I question the collective sanity of a species that believes 3PO is a god.

 

Well, excuse you, but I'm a proud fan of the most demonic one.

 

Don't take this the wrong way, as I'm trying to make a point on storytelling. I think that people who generally like or prefer the prequels, the saga, canon, what-have-you, and start Star Wars from Episode I, will consider ANH to be a slowly paced film -- the reason being that they are already familiar with very myopic detail of the Force, Jedi, everything, from the prequels; whereas ANH was originally supposed to be Chapter 1 and immerse the viewer into that world. Imagine reading a book, skipping to the middle or the ending, then going back to page 1. You would almost certainly find the introductory chapter boring.

I think that's why more fans who are seeing Star Wars for the first time or only care for the CT will -- in general -- consider the pacing of the original Star Wars film to be quite fine.

 

I was raised on the OT, I was about eight when the SE OT was re-released into theatres. I love ANH, and I have great respect for the movie, but it just seems a good amount of that movie is just building up to Luke finally doing anything. My feelings have nothing to do with the PT, because I fell inlove with the OT before TPM was even in production, and I hated it. I just feel out of the whole OT, it has the least amount of actual storyline. Farm boy leaves his planet, rescues a princess and blows up the DS. I just greatly prefer the immense story telling of Vader being his father, Luke learning the way of the force, and how his original mission to kill the story's villian turns into a mission of redemption. ANH could've been a stand alone movie, everything wrapped up in terms of "good guys won, you can assume this first step leads to the Empire losing it's stranglehold on the galaxy." and viewers would be completely content. It's in ESB where the back story and depth really come out. It's not just about defeating the villians, but the demons inside the protagonist as well.