Why is Yoda's Theme there?

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  1. JediFox Jedi Padawan

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    When Anakin is fighting all the aliens on the conveyor belt on Geonisis...why is it that Yoda's theme is very passionately and and strongly played by the orchestra? It was sure an odd place for it. Just wondering.

    -Eric
  2. Darth_Potter Jedi Master

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    Well, remember, it was pointlessly used when Leia, Lando, and Chewie were excaping from cloud city.


    - the other Eric ;)
  3. AmeiaSkywalker Jedi Knight

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    Maybe it shows that Yoda's presence is felt everywhere? :D
  4. Mcily_Nochi Jedi Master

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    It's a very glorious piece that suggests great sacrifice and heroism. Maybe that is why it's used.
  5. Sithman Jedi Grand Master

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    "Maybe it shows that Yoda's presence is felt everywhere? :D "


    LOL Ameia!


    YODA IS GOD.


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    ~Sithman~
  6. Strilo Manager Emeritus

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    I like it. Even if it IS tracked in from Yoda's big scene at the end, I still like it's use during the Conveyor Belt scene.
  7. Zaphod Beeblebrox Jedi Master

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    I was wondering that too.
    Why yoda's theme there?
  8. Strilo Manager Emeritus

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    Why is Leia's theme what plays when Obi-Wan is killed?




    Your answer is simple, young Padawan. Wanted it that way, John Williams did.
  9. Imrahil2001 Jedi Knight

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    I'm not sure. I think it was tracked from Yoda's duel as well, which means that _Lucas_ wanted there.

    An imbecile, he is.

  10. Sithman Jedi Grand Master

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    Yah, that's what stri just said. :p
  11. bright sith Jedi Grand Master

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    Im, the problem is, we have no evidence to say that it was purely Lucas' decision. That's my main beef in all these AOTC score discussions, that we're coming to conclusions too fast without any facts.
  12. Dark-Vador Jedi Knight

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    I think Yoda is keeping a 'connection' with Anakin (maybe). Does the music play mostly when it shows Anakin on the conveyor belt?
    Because Yoda seems to pick up everything that Anakin is feeling during AOTC, like when he kills the Sand People, and when Anakin worries about leaving Padme behind after falling out of the ship... Maybe that could be the reason for the music?? (mere speculation, but it still doesn't explain it for TESB).
  13. Imrahil2001 Jedi Knight

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    Brightsith:

    Who else would have? Lucas acts as the main editor for these things--and at the least something like that would have to have his approval.

    Ims
  14. bright sith Jedi Grand Master

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    Umm, Williams. Three reasons. One, are we even sure it was spliced there? I've seen the movie four times, I still can't tell since there is so much sound during that sequence. If not, then it's a performance by Williams. Two, the track On the Conveybelt could be an alternate cue, could be a suite version of the cue. We simply do NOT know, the AOTC CD release has too many differences to the film, starting from track one. And three, to follow up two, we don't really know if the CD release is entirely Williams' compositions either. Take, for example, Return to Tatooine, the pacing is entirely different from what the film version is; even if Lucas did last minute editing, that is *way* off.
  15. Strilo Manager Emeritus

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    I'm not sure. I think it was tracked from Yoda's duel as well, which means that _Lucas_ wanted there.

    An imbecile, he is.


    If he is an imbecile then stop watching his movies. He is the bloody director. He makes the calls. If he does or does not like something thats what goes. When Williams directs films then HE can call all the shots. Williams understands this why can't you?
  16. Imrahil2001 Jedi Knight

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    If he is an imbecile then stop watching his movies. He is the bloody director. He makes the calls. If he does or does not like something thats what goes. When Williams directs films then HE can call all the shots. Williams understands this why can't you?

    I watch because there are still some talented people involved, and I still like the universe. Don't get me wrong, I think Lucas is a great idea man. He just needs to remember that he's not good at everything. Or even very many things. It's his idea, his universe, granted. But this doesn't mean that everything -in- it is his. Most of the great designs from the OT came from guys like John Mollo or Ralph McQuarrie, not Lucas. They're what make Star Wars as Star Wars.

    Besides which, your point is asinine. I can criticize someone and still watch their movie.

    Or am I not allowed to criticize anyone? Is this a furthering of Bush's "Only terrorists criticize the government" idea?

    So yeah. I like the movies. I think Lucas has his place. He doesn't belong meddling with the music.

    Ims
  17. Strilo Manager Emeritus

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    But the music is there to support the movie. Lucas makes the movie the way he wants it. If Williams' work is not quite what he wanted he can tweak it. I don't see how this makes Lucas an imbecile.
  18. jedivalens Force Ghost

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    i was wondering why Yoda's theme was there too. dont get me wrong, i liked it there. then i was watching ESB and heard it towards the end. and Yoda wasnt even around! it has a deeper meaning, like when Leia's theme plays when Ben dies. i think it was placed right.
  19. Strilo Manager Emeritus

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    But again... Yoda's theme was used in ESB during the rebels' escape from Cloud City. Yoda was no where close to that. Why is that ok yet this in AOTC is not?

  20. Imrahil2001 Jedi Knight

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    Well, I'm not sure if it's 'right' or 'wrong,' but it just felt to me like it was Lucas putting it there when it wasn't intended to be there. But I could be wrong, I fully admit. I'm a bit sour on the whole thing just because of the later..."importations" of music from TPM.

    Oh well. I still enjoyed the movie, and I rather like the score. Some suite arrangements would be...well, sweet!

    Ims
  21. PloKloon1138 Jedi Master

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    Well, since Yoda's Theme has a strong connection to the Force Theme, and surely Anakin was using the Force during that sequence.... :D
  22. Vaderbait Jedi Grand Master

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    Jeez, some people need to learn that early CD released are Concert versions and NOT the film score.
  23. TenorAprentice Jedi Master

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    I forgot about this one...

    one thought, I had. It seemed to me that in that scene, Anakin had stopped reacting to what was happening around him, and started to control events with a peaceful calm. He seems cool, collected, and definately NOT taken by emotion. He uses the force the way that it should be used. Here, he is a Jedi.

    Now, it could be that "the force" element to the title could imply that during that event (Anakin, cloud city, luke and leia talking in ROTJ) the force, the light side, is winning in the overall cosmic struggle, even if it is for a moment.

    thoughts?
  24. grand_admiral_ewok Jedi Master

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    Good idea, TenorApprentice. It's like the theme is used when Yoda's influence on our heroes comes to bear.
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