JCC Why isn't Gay Adoption a bigger political issue?

Discussion in 'Community' started by Condition2SQ, Jan 28, 2013.

  1. GenAntilles Jedi Master

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    If you read the worst possible meaning into a statement it's your own fault.

    And the initial post I stand by. There was no backtrack except to define things that no reasonable person would need defined.

    Hence why I said 'legitimate' loving parents. Nowhere did I say 'children should have people who love them according to that individuals own personal definition of love which may or may not follow the accepted definition of love' When I say parents I am assuming they are people fit to have children. So when I say loving parents, any bad parent you mention is not a part of that group.
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  2. jp-30 Manager Emeritus

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    So we are supposed to second guess the intended meaning behind ridiculous statements like "Children deserve what ever parents they can get. Having them is better than not having them."?
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  3. harpua Chosen One

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    So anyway... moving on...

    What is your reasoning behind this?
  4. jp-30 Manager Emeritus

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    Well, there will be a certain stigma attached to a child at school with gay parents (adopted or not). Hopefully society will overcome it (by making it part of the norm). But in the current climate in many places, a kid adopted by gay parents may become targeted by his or her peers...
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  5. harpua Chosen One

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    Yeah, I can see that... unfortunately. It's kind of like the kid with interracial parents decades ago.
  6. yankee8255 Jedi Grand Master

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    Back to the original topic, I think gay adoption is far more of an issue than you think, just below the surface. Talk to a conservative about why they are opposed to gay marriage, and gay adoption usually comes up pretty quickly.

    As for the silly debate currently ongoing, I'd invite the good General to take a look at most of the pictures japes's posts in the post a picture of yourself thread before getting into an argument with him on what it takes to be a good parent.
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  7. The Loyal Imperial Manager Emeritus

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    While I can understand the argument, allowing it to force our hand is hardly going to contribute toward normalizing it. If anything, it would have quite the opposite effect.
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  8. Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus

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    There are a few reasons why adoption isn't a bigger issue on the anti-homosexual agenda.

    First, we need to put all those un-aborted babies somewhere. That's an issue for the religious right to contend with. They want an abortion-free society too, and that may be higher on the list than gay marriage, and it has consequences.

    Second, out of sight, out of mind. I imagine that people who would tend to oppose adoption into gay families don't see a lot of it. Given jp-30's point:
    my sense is that, as far as they have control over the matter, many gay families are very cautious about where they choose to live. In my circle of acquaintances there are at least 7 families with gay parents. Their kids are friends with my kids, on their sports teams, in their classes. And I have never once heard of any of them having trouble at school. I can't tell you that there have never been isolated incidents, but no parent I know would tolerate bullying. I chose to live in a progressive community where gay-parented families feel welcomed and where they have a lot of support. I'm sure they chose the community for the same reason.

    But if I were a gay parent, I would be convinced that it would be foolhardy and perhaps dangerous and tantamount to bad parenting to try to move to and live in certain parts of the country. In my experience, families with gay parents above all want to fit in and be part of their communities and successfully raise healthy and well-adjusted children.
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  9. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    How is allowing an adoption "forcing" anything? Nobody is suggesting forcing gay adoption; just permitting it. When you have a majoritarian norm that's based on habit rather than rationality, the only way to change it is to show that the old norm isn't the only way of seeing things and showing that the world won't end if that norm is changed.
  10. The Loyal Imperial Manager Emeritus

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    I was referring to the response to this:
    The idea being, as I understand it, that straight couples should be first in line because "there will be a certain stigma attached to a child at school with gay parents." To which I responded, that allowing that factor to force us to prioritize straight couples would be counterproductive.
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  11. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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