If you read the worst possible meaning into a statement it's your own fault. And the initial post I stand by. There was no backtrack except to define things that no reasonable person would need defined. Hence why I said 'legitimate' loving parents. Nowhere did I say 'children should have people who love them according to that individuals own personal definition of love which may or may not follow the accepted definition of love' When I say parents I am assuming they are people fit to have children. So when I say loving parents, any bad parent you mention is not a part of that group.