Lit Why no Novels from an Imperial viewpoint? (Spoilers)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Alpha268, Oct 13, 2012.

  1. Alpha268 Jedi Youngling

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    Hi, I would really like to see some novels where the character is for once not fighting for the Rebellion or New Republic, but the Empire. I read "Dark Forces", but of course after like 50 pages the character had to join the "good guys".

    I really think the authors are missing out on good novels on the Imperial side. Instead in every novel the Empire gets shot into more and more pieces, and now they are only "The Remnant". But even the authors must have noticed how boring that is, because according to the "Legacy"-timeline in the future the Empire is somewhat back - full strenght. (Only to get shot into pieces once more I assume, never read the comics)

    I had hopes for the "Imperial Commando" novels, but the first one followed the same old "Dark Forces" path (What we do is wrong, lets join the Rebels!!!!), and the second one got cancelled :(


    Another storyline that disappointed me greatly was the one regarding the clone of Thrawn and the giant hidden Empire in the Outer Rim. So much could have been done with that, the Thrawn-Clone reuiniting his Empire with the Remnant Empire, and then actually fight the Republic (With maybe a victory for the Empire? No total, but a victory), or fighting together against a common thread. Instead R2D2 saves the day, kills the Clone and the Hidden Empire somehow dissappears...
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  2. Jedi Ben Chosen One

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    You've answered your own question really!

    Frankly the nearest you'll get to this are books where you either have Pellaeon's Empire or you have the Empire of the Hand, both of which are in effect deemed "good" Empires. But for Palpatine's Empire? Forget it.
  3. blackmyron Force Ghost

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    That was the hope for the Empire series, but it quickly devolved into being about the Rebel Alliance... literally, once it became Rebellion.

    The ultimate cause might be Lucas, as it was told that he nixed the idea of a sequel for TIE Fighter because he didn't like the idea of people playing the "bad guy". But considering that was 20 years ago, who knows what he thinks now.

    My related question is this: if there are "heroes on both sides" in the Clone Wars, why haven't we seen a Confederacy novel?
  4. Alpha268 Jedi Youngling

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    I would be happy with Pellaeons Empire, and I even suggested stories from the Empire of the Hand!
    But even those are nonexistant. (Or are there some?).

    And yeah, stories from the Confederacy would be cool too. Just bring some diversity into the Expanded Univere already, Im so sick of the same old "Luke & R2D2 save the day"-stories. There is much more potential out there.
  5. WIERD_GREEN_MAN Jedi Grand Master

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    Soldier for the Empire had some of hat you may be looking for, although the main character does join the good guys, but he does so for a serious reason.
    Young Jedi Knights: Heirs of the Force has some interesting parts from the point of view of a ("former") TIE pilot. The pilot is still one of my favorite characters from that era.
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  6. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    The hero on both sides is of course Palpatine.
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  7. stung4ever Force Ghost

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    In Zahn's last couple novels, Allegiance and Choices of One, the protagonists are split between the Empire and the Rebellion, with good portions of the novel from the Pro-Empire characters' POVs.
  8. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    Eh, but not really. You have Jade the half-baked Imperial (who, Zahn hastens to remind us, was never reallllly one of them) and a bunch of ex-stormtroopers (because if they were still serving, why, they couldn't make good protagonists!). The whole time both of them are ranting about how awful the Empire is. In Choices of One, we get Pelly, which is probably the closest thing we'd get: but we have to remember that I. he's a dismal failure and II. he later becomes the NR's pet admiral. He's a "safe" choice as a POV character as a result.

    And besides, all three of these characters go on and on about how "the Imperial Court is awful and blah blah blah whine whine whine, I wish I were part of the ruling class but I'm not, complain complain" :rolleyes:
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  9. WIERD_GREEN_MAN Jedi Grand Master

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    Comics have some stuff from Imperial views, but only a few panels at a time.
  10. JackG Force Ghost

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    I just really want a Palpatine novel set before and after ANH. :(
  11. Havac Former Moderator

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    Hello, and welcome to the ranks of people clamoring for TIE Fighter: The Series. Or anything about Baron Fel. Or anything about the Empire of the Hand and the Fels and Voss Parck and Dagon Niriz. Or, you know, anything Imperial. We've been waiting for a long time, but we have sandwiches.

    Also, for the record, Myron: Out of forty issues, Empire had twelve purely Imperial issues, five issues split between Imperial and Rebel POVs, four issues about an Imperial defector, two Boba Fett issues where he's working in an Imperial milieu, one issue about a fringer who's captured by the Empire that was meant to set up an Imperial-focused arc, and sixteen Rebel issues. So it got imbalanced, mostly toward the end, but it never did stop giving us Sunber. And at least many of the Imperial POV stories it gave us were some of the best ones out there -- To the Last Man, Sunber in The Wrong Side of the War, and What Sin Loyalty? Plus Betrayal, The Price of Power, Target: Vader, and A Model Officer are all pretty good, too.
  12. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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  13. blackmyron Force Ghost

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    As Jello remarked, Betrayal was indeed fantastic, and I thought a good omen for the run - but then they did that but with the General that Dodonna didn't get along with, or something. At least now we have Agent of the Empire, which also opened with a strong arc, and appears to be staying the course (with a tighter focus).

    But you must admit, Darth Vader and the Ghost Prison not only was a fantastic Imperial POV story, but also managed to somehow be about the Confederacy POV as well.
  14. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    I need to catch up with AotE... I'm really bad with comics. I fell behind with Legacy all the time.

    At least I've kept up with Ghost Prison.
  15. Jeff_Ferguson Force Ghost

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    Uh, we were to understand there'd be pie and punch.
  16. Todd the Jedi Mod and Sitcom Dad of SWTV

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    Well, @Havac, Tim Zahn could release that book he wrote about Thrawn's enlistment of Soontir. All it needs is Del Rey's stamp of approval and everything's golden.

    If only. [face_sigh]
  17. CQuigley Guest

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    He nneds write it into his final wish.
    If i died put that on the net. Come to think of it there is no new webcomic and there is a new season of cw....

    Thye gotta throw us a bone. I would be happy with that.

    How come nobody mentioned the Stele Chronicles?
  18. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    Well, there's the entire TIE Fighter Player's Guide too.
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  19. Gorefiend Chosen One

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    At this point? Because no one can take the Confederation serious anymore. They have devolved into such a band of incompetent hacks one is surprised they actually managed to last as long as they did. Older Clone Wars literature did at least try to give as Sepi characters we could sympathies with, but those glory days are long gone. Though one could easily write an amazing Sepi privateer novel, but why bother when you could easily write a 5 or 6 times better Imperial or Rebel privateer novel. ;)
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  20. CQuigley Guest

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    The Tofen Vane story is fairly recent.
  21. imiller Force Ghost

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    I think the reason we don't see Imperial novels is because Del Rey thinks Sith novels are good enough for us.

    Which they aren't, but apparently they sell.
  22. Havac Former Moderator

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    And it is not much good.
  23. Gorefiend Chosen One

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    It was alright, the art is a little strange and Tofen to much of a tool for Dooku, but otherwise it is surprisingly good. Wouldn’t actually mind it getting adopted by TCW, whilst Slaves of the Republic was actually better as comic.
  24. Jeff_Ferguson Force Ghost

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    The cover art could have used a little subtlety in its Red Baron comparison.

    [IMG]

    ... But wait, he's blue! Wow what a unique take!
  25. Havac Former Moderator

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    I really hope he wears that hat under his helmet while he's flying.