PT Why NOT send Anakin to kill Grievous?

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  1. Legolas Skywalker Force Ghost

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    but if was sent to Utapau to deal with Grievous and he was Young Vader at the time, Anakin would be more aggressive in attacks :p
  2. Valairy Scot Force Ghost

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    And...?

    So Anakin goes, defeats Grievous - how is that different than sending Obi-Wan who defeated Grievous? Keep in mind the Jedi don't know anything about Order 66, Sid's plans...they just want Grievous taken down - and he was.

    This is the type of question that really seems only worthwhile to ask as a hypothetical "what if" rather than a serious question (of course, IMHO) because otherwise one could really ask "Why not ___ Anakin?" over almost anything that Anakin does not do personally. Should the entire Order sit on its hands and send Anakin because, well, he's Anakin and therefore "better" than anyone else to do anything else so even if they're capable of the job, Anakin is "more" capable?
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  3. -NaTaLie- Force Ghost

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    There's more on Council's decision in the script:

    YODA
    A Master is needed, with more experience.
    MACE
    Given our resources, I recommend we send only one Jedi . . . Master Kenobi.
    ANAKIN
    He was not so successful the last time he met Grievous.
    OBI-WAN throws ANAKIN a dirty look.
    ANAKIN
    (continuing) No offense, my Master, but I’m only stating a fact.
    OBI-WAN
    Oh no, you’re quite right, but I do have the most experience with his ways of combat.
    YODA
    Obi-Wan, my choice is.
  4. son_of_skywalker03 Force Ghost

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    Anakin's mission was to spy on Palpatine. The council didn't realize, to their folly, what Palpatine really was, nor how deeply he had his claws burried into Anakin. They needed Grievous neutralized, and Obi-Wan was the best suited for the mission. Unfortunately, their want of having Anakin spy on Palpatine prevented him from being able to assist. Anakin seemed to always be in the wrong place at the wrong time. That, and the masters were constantly playing right into Palpatine's hands. The man was constantly able to turn any outcome to his favor. Just look at the end of TPM. He had a contingency for either outcome in that battle.
  5. TheRevanchist Jedi Master

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    The Council needed to sent a Jedi Master who was experienced enough to deal with GG, and Obi Wan was the best choice. In fact that was proven when Master Kenobi killed Griveous and said " so uncivilized'. Why Anakin wasn't chosen for that? There could be plenty of reasons from the obvious ones as they wanted an experienced Master, not an arrogant Knight (remember that Kenobi was one of the best negotiators and the task required more than fighting skills) for the task or they needed Anakin to spy on Palpatine (didn't turn well). Though the most important reason (IMO) is that Palpatine required that Anakin would lead the campaign, and the Council didn't liked that much Palpatine. Anyway, the same question could be asked why Tiin, Kolar or Fistu were not chosen for the task. The main important part is that Kenobi was more than competent for the task, he was powerful, wise and a great negotiator and he succeeded.

    Going out of topic, the most intriguing question about Anakin is why Yoda didn't became his Master. Knowing how powerful Anakin could become (but potentially how dangerous considering his character and his age when he began training) why didn't the wisest of the Jedi decided to train him personally. No disrespect to Kenobi, but it didn't looked to me the most smart thing that a clocked bomb like Anakin being trained by a young Jedi Knight (who by the way was the ex-Padawan of another not conservative Master).
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  6. Darth Georgia Jedi Knight

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    Count Dooku is who trained the General though, Grievious even brags about this yet it was Anakin who put an end to Dooku. (Dooku tossed Kenobi around like a rag doll)
  7. Joe Force Ghost

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    Qui-Gon's dying wish was for Obi-Wan to train Anakin. Yoda let this happen out of respect.
  8. TheRevanchist Jedi Master

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    The wish was because Qui-Gon thought that the Council is not accepting Anakin to be trained normally. If later the Council accepted then knowing how powerful but also dangerous Anakin can become I think that Yoda should have trained Anakin.
  9. Joe Force Ghost

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    Regardless, Qui-Gon still made the wish.
  10. ILNP Jedi Grand Master

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    Yoda trained Dooku and he still turned to the Dark Side so why would you think Yoda training Anakin would have changed anything?
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  11. King Terak Jedi Master

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    This.
    Although, I have though what would have happened had Anakin had a different Master instead of "Unsure Kenobi", but then again, if Anakin remained himself while being Yoda's apprentice, He'd probably would have been kicked out of the order fast.
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  12. Joe Force Ghost

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    Yoda as Anakin's master could have alleviated some of Anakin's problems. He may not have felt Yoda was 'holding him back', seeing as Yoda was the most powerful Jedi in the order. Look at Yoda and Anakin's conversation in ROTS - Yoda connected to Anakin very well.
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  13. Ambervikings91 Jedi Master

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    Anakins job was to rep palpatine. Besides the council probably didn't like having anakin do much of anything
  14. windu4 Force Ghost

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    This was put into more detail in Stover's novelization but I think that this was again an elaborate trap by Palpatine. If you remember Palpatine is the one who reported on the location of Palpatine through his own troops' sniffing around (or just him knowing that because he's on both sides of the war). Obi-Wan is one of the few people who could prevent Anakin from turning before it was too late. Anakin and Obi-Wan are best friends after all. So when Obi-Wan was busy fighting the war Palpatine made his move to seduce Anakin to the dark side because he knew that the only relatable person Anakin could turn to would be off fighting the war.

    The other reason is that the Council in all their intelligence decided to keep Anakin to spy on Palpatine.
  15. ILNP Jedi Grand Master

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    Correct. In the Revenge of the Sith novelization, Sidious muses that the perfect Jedi Trap is one where simply by going the Jedi loses. If Grievous had killed Obi Wan, Sidious was still going to have Grievous killed. So Sidious is happy no matter the outcome. He just wanted Obi Wan away from Anakin so he could turn him since the novel implies that Obi Wan was the only one (or at least the most likely one) who could prevent Anakin's turn.
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  16. Eryndil Jedi Grand Master

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    Actually, when Anakin spoke to Yoda about his dreams, all Yoda did was basically tell him to give up what he loved. There was no way Anakin would follow that advice and I think it made him even more disillusioned with the Jedi Order. Also, Yoda had always opposed Anakin's training, and Anakin was very aware of that. It seems unlikely that they would have got on at all. Obi-Wan wasn't 'holding Anakin back' because he (OW) lacked the power, but because Anakin wasn't ready (emotionally) to progress faster - Yoda would have been even more strict on this than Obi-Wan.

    Sorry for taking the thread further off track.
  17. Eryndil Jedi Grand Master

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    Obi-Wan does seem to act as a kind of 'anchor' for Anakin. All of Anakin's darkest moments - killing the Sand People, killing Dooku (an unarmed opponent), turning to the Dark Side - happen when Obi-Wan is not around (or not conscious!)

    Of course, it didn't occur to the Jedi that the Chosen One could possibly turn to the Dark Side. Moreover, they didn't know that Palpatine was a Sith, so it seemed a good idea to use his friendship with Anakin to find out what he was up to. They were especially worried about what he'd do after Grievous was killed (as we see in the war room scene where they discuss removing him from power) so they would not want to send away their only source of information on his actions. Remember that Mace tells Anakin to watch Palpatine's reaction to the news about Obi-Wan finding Grievous.
  18. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    I think you mean Grievous.
  19. Joe Force Ghost

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    But Yoda would have had more knowledge of the force, and thus more to teach Anakin. Obi-Wan was not ready at all to train Anakin - he was basically a Padawan still when he was handed Anakin to train.

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  20. LandoThe CapeCalrissian Jedi Master

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    And the council was proven correct...

    Anakin although powerful suffered from his mental instability. Where Kenodi was level headed and never losing his cool, Anakin was a loose cannon... Sometimes a bit more subtly is required.

    Plus Kenobi beats Anakin in the end of it all. Kenobi is so underrated and should never have been jobbed out to Dooku the way he was.
  21. Sitara Force Ghost

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    They didn't send Anakin because Anakin would have ended up joining with Grievous.
  22. Valairy Scot Force Ghost

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    Jokes aside, they had an assignment for Anakin and thought Obi-Wan was the best choice to send after Grievous. They were wrong on both counts (Anakin got himself seduced by Palps and Obi-Wan was removed as a counter-balance to Anakin although he succeeded in taking out Grievous).

    I'd really like to see the OP address this: @Darth Georgia, Should Anakin have been sent on every mission that was assigned to another Jedi because he was Anakin? Or only this mission? Why on this mission - because in 20/20 hindsight we see he should not have been with Sids or because he was a "better choice" to succeed than Obi-Wan? Or because it was a higher profile mission, and Anakin deserved the credit more than any other Jedi for taking out Grievous?
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  23. Darthbane2007 Force Ghost

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    Anakin uses Force Choke on Grievous. Grievous dies, Anakin wins.
  24. RamonM Jedi Youngling

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    The better question is, why not send a whole team after Grevious?

    It was not an easy victory for Kenobi.

    Why not send Mace ot Kit Fisto too?
  25. Valairy Scot Force Ghost

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    Oh, really, all these "what-if's." Why not bomb the planet to smithereens? Send 20 Jedi? Send the entire Council, including Anakin, although they expect the Sith to make his move with Yoda and Obi-Wan away - sure, they want Anakin to face that exposed Sith, but no, instead lets send him to get Grievous (with or without others) because it's quite likely no one but Anakin can defeat Grievous and its foolish to do anything without Anakin spearheading whatever it is they're doing...
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