Why Obi-Wan disappears and Qui-Gon doesn?t - an unfortunate conundrum

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  1. emporergerner Jedi Master

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    I thought he just burns his armor,but I could be wrong.




    Emporer Gerner Dark Lord of the Sith
  2. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    The comments about the burning of the body was added by members of the Lucasbooks staff, to tie into the whole concept of Force ghosts as they understood it. But with the PT, we find out that a body disappearing is not need to become a ghost. Qui-gon did that all on his own, but his problem is that he wasn't proficent (sp) enough to take his body into the etheral when he died. Obi-wan and Yoda learned out to do that. But note that when we see Obi-wan and later Anakin, they aren't exactly looking like they do upon their deaths. Obi-wan has his robe on again and Anakin, has not only his physical body restored but he also has his Master's robes on. Not his Jedi robes from ROTS.
  3. ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio

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    The comments about the burning of the body was added by members of the Lucasbooks staff.

    The problem with that sinister is that my bold-text in my last post comes from Lucas himself. [face_tired]
  4. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    What I meant is that the idea of Anakin disappearing was a Lucasbooks decision. Lucas, on the other hand, said that he burned up and didn't disappear. My bad for not clarifying it.
  5. Ivo Jedi Knight

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    How do you know that Ankin dosen't dissappear all we see at the end of ROTJ was luke burning the Darth Vader suit? I hold the view like many others is that to be able to be seen as a force ghost you have to to accept the fact that your die and let go of everything. Anikin at the end from my POV has closure he destroyed Sideous and come back to the light side and his son had become a jedi and his daughter is safe and able to become a jedi.
  6. yoshifett Jedi Grand Master

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    What've you been smoking? Whatever it is, I want some!
  7. RockMeAmadeus Jedi Padawan

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    Mr fett you are just plain mean. But if you get any - please share.[face_alien_1]
  8. chopman Jedi Knight

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    Sorry if anyone has said this already, but after watching TPM it occurred to me that what Qui-Gon is doing right before dying isn't invoking the Ghost-abilities, but rather just looking into the future and seeing that he was going to die in the upcoming battle. I don't know how/if that affects anything, but I wanted to throw it out there.
  9. PMT99 Force Ghost

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    For one thing, Vader's helmet and mask should be disassembled because they're clipped on like there's still a body inside the suit. That's how I know that Anakin didn't disappear when he died.
  10. RamRed Force Ghost

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    But it's safe to say he was in the process of learning; perhaps he was familiar with Darth Plagueis and wanted the secret for the Jedi?

    Why do people assume that Sidious was telling Anakin the truth about Plagueis being able to manipulate the Force to create or prolong life?
  11. KÃ¥l Jedi Youngling

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    In the ROTS comics adaptation, Qui-Gon says:

    "The ability to defy death can be achieved, but only for oneself. A Shaman of the Whills discovered the secret, but it will never be accomplished by a Sith Lord. It is a state acquired only through compassion, not greed."

    Darth Plagueis may have discovered the secret, but as a Sith he could not conquer death himself. By showing compassion and saving his son, Anakin was able to retain his identity after death, just as Obi-Wan and Yoda did. Sidious was telling the truth from a certain point of view. We can surmise that he and Vader did indeed study Plagueis's findings, but Palpatine remained evil all along, so he could not achieve what Anakin did.
  12. ardavenport Force Ghost

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    I don't know why it should be a mystery that Anakin and Qui-Gon don't disappear but Obi-Wan and Yoda do.

    Obi-Wan and Yoda: Years of training, meditating and practice and they saw their deaths coming.

    Qui-Gon: Not expecting to get killed at all, though he had the right training that is somewhere in a backstory that we never see in the films.

    Anakin: Not expecting at all to turn to the light side until he did it; his insanely high midichlorine count and huge, selfless act of destroying the Sith at the very end are probably what got him into the not-quite-dead club.

    BTW, Anakin is lying there dead and Luke is looking at him for a bit. If he were going to disappear, it would have happened when he died as with Obi-Wan and Yoda. I think the disappearing act takes practice and preparation, but it's not necessary.

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