CT Why Palpatine's Empire hate non human races so much?

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  1. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    The alien ghetto on Coruscant is a lot nastier in Wedge's Gamble than it's portrayed by the Imperial propagandist in The Illustrated Star Wars Universe.
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  2. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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    Always thought the subtext in the ISWU was that you should be equating them with the Warsaw ghetto, myself.
  3. janstett Force Ghost

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    Sidious took Darth Maul as an apprentice and at least by the "Sidious" book his master, Darth Plagueis, was a Muund.

    At this point I'd like the theorize that humans originated at the center of the galaxy and spread outwards as colonists, where they ran into the other races. There's actually a lot of support for such a theory and would explain things like the human settlers on Tatooine having to deal with the native Jawas and Sand People, for example. The duality of Naboo's humans and Gungans fit nicely with that theory too.

    So the seat of power at Coruscant would naturally have a human bias.

    It's also fun to imagine that Palpatine's stomach was turned by the diversity of the Jedi population and the Senate, his disdain for the crumbling edifices of a diverse democracy bringing along with it a racial component for "sameness" if it wasn't there already.
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  4. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    One who took the view that Muuns, and humans, were superior to most of the other races of the galaxy.
  5. Sitara Force Ghost

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    Uhm guys, I thought it was pretty obvious.

    Sidious/Palps/Empire did not hate aliens at all. That was just some EU crap thrown in to 'explain' why the leadership of the Empire was human along with all the Storm Troopers and to give the Empire a 'racist' bent because of the political situation in those days in America. The real reason ofcourse, was that CGI did not exist in those days, so it was not possible to have large bunches of aliens running around. Which is why you got the retarded Ewoks in ROTJ. TPM instead gave us the gungan army, which was much better and much believable in how they could defeat a superior/high tech force.

    So anyway, if they had made all the empire officers aliens, that would have taken the costs through the stratosphere. Though yes I do wish they had made the Storm Troopers some humanoid alien species, like Bith or Sullustan or something. Just show one or two troopers with their helmets off and they are munn. Then we find out they are all clones, so we automatically realize all the stormies are munn.

    If Sidious had truly been racist, do you actually believe he would have chosen the heir to the Sith line, and his own heir as a Zabrak (aka Darth Maul)?

    The PT should have had more aliens in key positions though. Vallorum should have been alien, to show aliens can rule the Republic. Tyrannys/Dooku should also have been an alien. They could have still hired Chris Lee which Lucas really really wanted for some reason, and then put some light make up on him and made a new alien race from him. Qui Gon could have been alien (again, Liam Neeson with some light makeup and/or CGI on, a new humanoid species made for the PT) And so on and so forth.

    Oh well, at least Yoda, head of the Jedi Order, was an alien. Mace should have been alien as well. We already have Kenobi and Anakin to identify with as the protagonist human Jedi.
  6. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Maul wasn't so much his heir as his tool. It was the earliest Star Wars magazines, published right after the first movie- that had the stormtroopers having the attitude that the only good alien is a dead one- the EU simply expanded on that.
  7. janstett Force Ghost

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    Yeah because there were no aliens in Star Wars. o_O
  8. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    The article I quoted earlier points out there's aliens on Tatooine in the bar, the absence of visible aliens elsewhere, and speculates that humans dominate the society of the SW galaxy, with aliens on the fringes.
  9. Sitara Force Ghost

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    Uhm...having MORE aliens would mean MORE costs. Isn't that kind of obvious?

    And again, the tech was too basic at the time. Yoda was great true, but having a bunch of Yoda's running about would be problematic. A bunch of Chewbaccas running around would just look ridiculous.
  10. jacktherack Force Ghost

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    Are you kidding? You think the Gungan's were more believable?
    It was horribly done slapstick...
  11. Sitara Force Ghost

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    Yes, yes they were. Not only that, it was MUCH more believable when they took on the battle droids. They used actual tactics, they used a shield generator. The best part though, was that they lost to the droid army.
  12. jacktherack Force Ghost

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    you mean like slapstick?
  13. Valairy Scot Chosen One

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    Turning (the apparent majority) human sentiment against the (apparent) minority aliens was probably a political tool - focus the newly disenfranchised's (those once part of a Republic now a part of an Empire) fears and uncertainty against fellow citizens.

    It's happened real world - (it wasn't just) look at Hitler, he was able to focus the German's dissatisfactions against small groups of "outsiders" who "were responsible" for all the problems that Germans legitimately faced - no need for me to go into a mini history lesson, or point out all the other similar examples which exist.

    In other words: redirection.
  14. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    As to whether he, personally, felt that aliens in general were inferior to humans in general- that might require a certain amount of combing the books for examples of Palpatine's internal monologue.
  15. Jedi Master Thon Jedi Padawan

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    Think of it as Adolf Hitler's belief in Aryan superiority. Hitler believed that anyone else was inferior, as Palpatine does.

    Edit: sorry, I didn't realize this was mentioned previously.
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  16. Game3525 Force Ghost

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    Agreed.

    That is one of the sillier concepts the EU has ever came up with. It really doesn't make sense for Palpatine to be a bigot given what we know. He is a manipulator who sees every being as an object to reaching his goals, him using racism and xenophobia of humans to gain more control and power over the galaxy makes far more sense them him personally caring what species certain beings are.
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  17. Chainmail_Jedi Jedi Master

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    has George the Hutt said anything on the matter of Palpatine's racism?
  18. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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    No, the guy who just gave 4 billion dollars to charities hasn't commented.
  19. Chainmail_Jedi Jedi Master

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