Why reveal Sidious?

Well since this question left everybody STUMPED in the Dooku thread, I thought I might as well try again and make it a thread on its own.

In AOTC, Count Dooku reveals to Obi-Wan that there is a Sith Lord controlling the Republic that goes by the name of Darth Sidious. He also asks for Obi-Wan's help in destroying this Sith Lord. Now if he's Sith, why would he want him killed? And if he's just doing that to earn Obi-Wan's trust, why use the name "Sidious" or tell about the whole controlling the Senate deal?
If he's doing this as an attempt to turn on his master like a lot of Sith do, then that would contradict his character profile in the ROTS novelization that clearly states that he was 100% loyal to his master and the thought of turning on him never crossed his mind.

So the question is, again, why tell Obi-Wan about Sidious' existance and give him details about his name and his controlling the Senate?

 

Well in rots, Sid used the Jedi knowing who he was to his advantage, and labeled the Jedi as traitors, and the Senate went along with it w/ thunderous applause.

 

Perhaps Dooku wanted to overthrow Sidious in order to become the Master. Was Dooku really lying? He mentioned destroying the Sith, but this can easily refer to Darth Sidious himself instead of the whole Sith Order.

It's possible Dooku thought that by turning Kenobi, he and his new Sith Apprentice (Obi-Wan) could destroy Sidious.

 

Maybe Dooku was LYING to Obi-Wan.

 

Throughout the entire movie Dooku was never really portrayed as a sith. If not for the previews where he had a red lightsabre it wouldn't have been clear he was one til the end - just a jedi who'd lost his faith in the Senate. Obi-wan didn't have faith either, openly expressing doubt about the Chancellor while he and Anakin are arguing about Padme. This might be due to Qui-Gon's influence, which he might in turn have inherited from Dooku. He wanted to twist Obi-wan's allegiances, just as Sidious ultimately did to Anakin. He told Obi-wan the truth, because a little bit of truth is a far greater weapon than a total lie.

Obi-wan was much more stubborn than Dooku had anticipated, however.

 

Dooku must have wanted to take Obi-Wan as his apprentice, to help him overthrow Sidious. That's the only reason he would tell him the truth about Darth Sidious and his involvement with Nute Gunray, as well as his hold over the Senate. Obi-Wan has a good reputation, having killed Darth Maul when he was still a Padawan and all. I think that Dooku wanted to continue his teacher-student lineage, by taking the student of Qui-Gon Jinn as his Sith apprentice.

Anakin hadn't really earned a reputation yet, not as much as he does during the Clone Wars, but Sidious knows of his potential. I don't think that Dooku knows that Anakin is the Chosen One. Otherwise, he would be focused on converting Anakin. It isn't until after the AOTC duel that Dooku earns a healthy respect for Anakin. Dooku knows that Obi-Wan is practically incorruptable, but if he believes that he can save the Republic by joining Dooku, it may be possible to convert him (the road to Hell being paved with good intentions and all that).

If the ROTS novel says otherwise, I guess there's really no explaination. It's not the first time a Star Wars movie adaptation novel would be flat-out wrong.

 

this is a classic tactic by those attempting deception. Dooku knew that Obi-Wan wouldn't believe him anyway, so if he tells the truth, then the one thing the Jedi will immediately discount is that truth. Its the best form of deception of all, telling the truth because everyone will assume what you say will be a lie.

 

"this is a classic tactic by those attempting deception. Dooku knew that Obi-Wan wouldn't believe him anyway, so if he tells the truth, then the one thing the Jedi will immediately discount is that truth. Its the best form of deception of all, telling the truth because everyone will assume what you say will be a lie."

Exactly. He said it to throw him off and make him think that he is lying but he is realy telling the truth but Obi thinks he is lying Something to that extent.

Good Stuff

 

When I first thought about it, the exact thought that came into my head was that he wants Obi-Wan as his apprentice to overthrow Sidious. It would've been interesting if Sidious was planning the same thing and appointed Anakin. That way it would've been an all-out Sith battle; Dooku and Obi-Wan vs. Palpatine and Anakin. Mega-awesome

But if you read the Ep3 novelization, it makes it perfecty clear that Dooku's not interested in overthrowing Sidious, and that he's completely loyal to him. Hence the big look of surprise when Palps tells Anakin to kill him.

As for him telling the truth in order for him to assume that he's lying...well it's pretty pointless because he only wants Obi-Wan to join him. If Obi-Wan thinks that he's lying, then there's no way he'd join him. Dooku never planned for Obi-Wan to walk away from Geonosis, he was supposed to be executed. So it's pointless for him to try to confuse him.

Either way, the Jedi proved that they believed him when Yoda went to Palpatine and called him Darth Sidious.

So we're pretty much back to square 1. Any other ideas?