Why The Name Vader

Maybe instead of coming from "invade" it comes from "EVADE." The root of this word is "VADERE" which means "to walk away." Maybe he get this name because he walks away from the jedi order.

 

Perhaps. Maybe it is in reference to his invasion of the Jedi Order. He wasn't supposed to be there, and, all though, he had no intention to destroy the Order when he was nine, maybe Palpatine saw the implications.

 

From what I understand Lucas only got 'the idea' for the name Vader from the Dutch word for father. However, I understand that the name is to be a constant reminder of his dead children. How the name Vader will be linked to fatherhood and decided for him is yet to be seen. Either way it is an original, intimidating name.

 

I think what people want to know is where the name comes from in a story sence. We all know the stories of Lucas' insparation be it Dutch or an old school friend.

The question is how did Anakin get the name not where did lucas get the name. And in reply I have no idea but I think it will become apparent in Ep3

 

This has probably been said before but just in case-

reading the George Lucas biography it staes that lucas says that name darth vader was made up by 'death water and dark father'. the dark father part is well known but death water???? didnt know that. Hmmmmmm

 

My guess, is that Anakin is trying to say JarJar as in "JarJar PLEASE help me" (like Luke in ROTJ), but it ends up sounding like Vader.

Vay dar

Jar Jar

See it sorta rhymes.

 

It's Myth related, and Darth Vader in German (I think that's the language) means "dark father", and that's what Vader is, the Dark Father of Luke and Leia.

 

hmm... all very well saying it's German etc, but does the name Vader have a meaning in the context of the film?

Edit - Dark Father doesn't make sense when he doesn't know his kids are alive?

 

to jbird69:

father=vater in german, as someone has already pointed out. darth, as far as i know, means nothing.

 

It turns out that once Anakin turned Sith, he never filed his galactic tax forms -- Yes, that's right! He's a tax e-Vader!

 

Good one, Up wind. Beats the in-Vader theory. I've never bought that.

Perhaps 'Death Water' can be a clue to the lava that eats up Anakins arms and legs in EP3.

With all this talk about how Vader got his name, I bet Lucas completely fails to mention it in the movie. Now that would be a b!tc#. Has anyone even stated that we would find out or are we just hoping they will?

 

the death water thing made me think of something. perhaps vader originates from the name of the lava river/ocean or whatever? sort of like how native americans got their names from certain imortant incidents in their lives while growing up.

sidious: that river was the final resting place of anakin, and the birth of the sith in you. it shall be your new name -vader!

 

I believe it will be based on E-vader. Think about it. It appeals to Anakin's need to hold onto things and people - an evader of death. Palpatine will use this to keep Anakin thinking that the Darkside is the only way to evade loss. Instead of just Palpatine implying "You will be an evil invader" and appealing to Anakin's destructive side - "evil for the sake of evil" (We already have that in the General - contrast, anyone?), he knows Anakin's weaknesses. Therefore he will use them by implying that Anakin won't have to deal with death or loss the way normal people do - "You're much too powerful for that". IN-Vader is just "a bad guy name", which Anakin does not see himself as. However, Anakin would gladly see himself as an all-powerful E-Vader. It speaks to what Anakin sees as his goal and purpose. It also describes his character. As do the names Sidious, Maul, and Tyranus.

evade

v 1: avoid or try to avoid fulfilling, answering, or performing (duties, questions, or issues); 2: escape, either physically or mentally; 3: practice evasion; 4: use cleverness or deceit to escape or avoid.

Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University

Once he dons the mantle of (E)Vader he is trapped, literally and figuratively, in his attempt to escape from the inevitable - loss. Only when he stops "evading", by sacrificing himself for Luke, does he cease to be an "evader", ie, he ceases to be "Vader". It works both in-story and allegorically.

That is something that would come from the mind of Lucas, IMO, applied to what we now know to be "Star Wars".

 

Sidious probably convinces Anakin that he, as the Chosen One, will be the father of all that exists one day.

 

Don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but
ten bucks says Sidious's speech goes something like this:

SIDIOUS
You will be the father of a new and terrible galaxy.
I name thee Darth Vader. Father of the new order.

Or something evil like that.

 

Well, Anakin's first mission as Darth Vader is to invade the Jedi Temple. Corny, I know.

 

I am not sure completely why the name is Vader. Throughout Star Wars Lore, there have always been Sith Lords with intimidating names, but the common link is that they all start with "Darth". It occurred to me that "Darth" is the Sith version of a knighted title, like Sir Alec Guiness, Sir Paul McCartney, or Sir Sean Connery. The other names, Darth Revan, Darth Malak, Darth Trayus, Darth Nihilus, Darth Sion, Darth Bane, Darth Sidious,Darth Plageus, Darth Maul, Darth Tyrannus, and Darth Vader were appointed by the Master to the apprentice, with the exception of Revan and Malak. So it seems to me that the Master comes up with the name for the apprentice, which is a title of honor bestowed upon them. Who knows, maybe Darth Maul's name was Bob before that.
Revan

 

"Sidious: Do not concern yourself with that issue now, my friend. You have more pressing matters at hand.
Anakin: Yes, my Master. By the way, what language is Dutch?
Sidious: It is a language spoken on the planet Earth, from where we humans originated 500000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 years ago. That planet has been long forgotten by everyone, but people in there still exist that are watching this as we speak. It is May 19, 2005 in their calculation of time and they are fans. Your new mission is to destroy them, LORD VADER.
Anakin: Yes, my master."
Uhhh, ever try reading the scroll at the beginging of the movies? A LONG TIME AGO, in a galaxy far, far away... Star Wars is in the past, not the future.

 

EVADER? i dunno about that one man. all the other sith lords characters match their names dictionary definintions. i was trying to figure out the vader thing...thought of evade too....but it just don't feel right. I don't like it. just for the record though....it could apply to him.{so i kinda agree lordlogan}

 

I agree with Darth_Sideous

 

For what it's worth, "Dark Invader" was what the World War I-era German operative Franz von Rintelen called himself in the title of his memoirs.

http://www.cia.gov/csi/studies/vol46no1/article02.html

 

Two issues here. One external to the story, one internal.

I EXTERNAL ISSUE

A 'Darth Vader' means 'Dark Father' in German and/or Dutch. Odd, how some still argue this as it has been repeatedly shown that 'Darth' does not mean 'dark' in either German or Dutch, while 'Vader' does mean 'father' in Dutch. However, the first written account of GL's having come up with the name 'Darth Vader' is in 1974 in the first draft of what became ANH. There, even more than in ANH, Vader is not the father of the protagonist.

B 'Darth' means 'Dark Lord of the Sith'--just take the first 2 letters of 'dark' and the last 2 letters of 'sith' and presto!!! Sorry, but wrong again. Both the name 'Darth Vader' and the term 'Sith' appear in the 1974 1st draft. However, there were no 'Dark Lords of the Sith'--there were 'Knights of the Sith', who in the 2nd draft became 'Black Knights of the Sith', who in the 3rd draft became 'Dark Lords of the Sith', whom we never hear of in the OT films that began with filming of a revised 4th draft of ANH. Moreover, Darth Vader in the 1st draft is a general with no extraordinary powers--but then neither the Jedi Bendu nor the Knights of the Sith have extraordinary powers until the 2nd draft, where we get the Force of Others with its Ashla (light) and Bogan (dark) sides.

C The Darth Vader we all have come to know and love is an amalgamation of 5 characters from the 1st draft:

1 General Darth Vader, who serves Emperor Cos Da**** in the Imperial Space Force.
2 Prince Valorum, leader of the Knights of the Sith, who has a change of heart of heart and helps the good guys at the end.
3 Kane Starkiller, great Jedi warrior who is injured to the point of becoming a cyborg and father of protagonist Annikin Starkiller.
4 General Luke Skywalker, Jedi and former 1st bodyguard to the Emperor.
5 Annikin Starkiller, the hero who trains to become a Jedi and who saves the day.

II INTERNAL REASON

Maybe Sids will lest in on the secret when he knights Anakin Skywalker as Darth Vader.

 

Y'all are overthinking it.

If you don't name him Vader, imagine the outcry from the Fanboys when they see Darth Widget in Episode III and Darth VADER in EP IV.

It's all about continuity, people...

 

Hey everyone...I'm new to the boards, but I assure you I am not a troll. I have been watching the threads on the boards for quite some time, and I have to admit, on some of them I'm just left shaking my head.

Here's my take on the origin of the Vader name...many years ago George Lucas let it slip that he had designed an entire backstory for the OT in order to tell the story that he wanted to tell...many MANY fanboys have taken that knowledge to the extreme, assuming that Lucas had everything planned in advance, down to the last detail.

The truth is that the theory of Vader=Father in Dutch probably has SOME merit to it, as Lucas claims to have known that Vader was Luke's father since the first draft (referred to as the Starkiller draft). Being a writer myself I can appreciate the need to come up with a good name, as it is not only an easy thing to do, knowing as we do that Lucas paid homage to other cultures in the saga, the father translation theory is not too far off.

There that's it. It was a script WRITING idea...there is no grand theory about it in the film! The translation of Vader=Father will not be mentioned in the film! As far as the origin of the name being explained in the film, I suggest everyone just wait until May, but don't hold your breath that it will be explained.

Sorry for the long post, but I had to weigh in on this one...some of the fanboys out here are going into this with entirely too much expectation! You all need to calm down! Like it, love it or hate it...they really ARE just movies!

Hallelujah! Holy Sh**! Where's the Tylenol!?!?!?

P.S. before the flaming begins I'd like to remind everyone that the above is only my personal feeling...if it differs from yours, don't waste time flaming, just get over it and go on with your life.

 

i just don't get why everyones a "fanboy" yeah,..I am a fan but I damn sure ain't a boy. all this noob-05er-fanboy crap is the equivalent of cyber racism friends! think about it. and oh yeah....were all fanboys....thats why were all on a starwars website right?