Discussion Why the odds are "3720 to 1" you'll actually like EP7

I think Disney will make Star Wars movies great once again. I watched ROTJ three times in the last week, and just thinking about the Sequel Trilogy makes me feel like a kid again.

 

I'm sure they're involved in at least some of those conversations, but I'd think even the majority of those decisions will probably still be left up to Kathy Kennedy. After all, Lucasfilm already had at least one writer aboard before the Disney deal even went down.

 

It (the story treatment by Arndt) was probably used to illustrate the sort of value that Disney could get out of the deal, that said I'd say that Arndt's contract probably had a precedent condition of the Disney sale going through with a retainer.

 

Hah! I have that beat. I've seen RoTJ in the theater 17 times - 13 times in 1983, and 4 additional times in 1997.

 

Nah, I really doubt that. Move along.

 

I have to say, I didn't expect such disrespectful behavior from an oldbie.
I'm not gonna take the bait, though, if that's what you think.

My point, since you seem hellbent on missing it unless I spell it out once again, is that the kids of 1999-2005 love these movies just as much as the kids of 1977-1983 love the first three.
Furthermore, I'll point out that the only reason that this love doesn't make as much of a racket is that there are many more beloved franchises of the same ilk these days. There is just no way for Star Wars to have the same kind of cultural impact again.
Over and out.





"There are so many!"
/LM

 

I don't think anything I said is there

 

From me?

I haven't logged on in a while as there hasn't been any news.

And I don't think I typed anything in that post - it "quotes" me but it isn't me

 

In an effort to reduce "redundant" threads on the forums, I just decided to "re-use" this one.

As more and more info comes out on EP7, I'm starting to notice more and more people coming up with grandiose ideas of what they think the "perfect" film would be. This is starting to send red flags up because it seems we have the catalyst for the conception of a new breed of "Trilogy Hater" in the works. In the corporate world it's called "managing expectations".

I also like to use the formula: "infinity -1". Basically there are only a "few" ways you want something done correctly (in your opinion), but there are an infinite number of ways it can be done, minus the ways YOU'D like it done. Which means the odds a pretty much against you having it the way you want. This formula can be used for almost anything: for example what are your 5 favorite foods? Now everything on earth that are NOT those five foods are NOT your favorite.

Long story short is I think you have to be open to almost anything. You can't be super critical on anything when it comes to EP7 and beyond. I'm seeing in almost every thread people posting "If ____ happens, it will totally ruin the film." Or I see the opposite: "They totally have to do ____! If they don't, it will just be stupid".

I have to reiterate that I saw this same type of setup before TPM came out. People were hoping for a big buff manly Anakin fighting Obi-Wan on the top of an actual volcano, not a innocent child that lost his mother and fell in love with a girl he shouldn't have gotten involved with. They never envisioned Gungans. They never thought the "Republic" would actually involve a "political" settings. I'm not sure what people were wanting (or not wanting). But what ever it was (or wasn't) didn't work for them and the PT hater was born.

I honestly don't see a way around having future "ST Haters". Some people will not be satisfied. My hope is that they will just "manage their expectations" and be open to whatever is thrown out there for us to watch..

 

As I have said before on another thread in here, unless you were there in the theaters in 1977, you have no idea how big Star Wars was. For those of us who lived it back in the day, there was no way the PT could have lived up to expectations. I watch the PT sometimes but much of it is painful to get through, just terrible dialogue! But I think because of the disappointment of the PT for many of us, we have realized that nothing can ever compare to the hysteria the OT caused, and now I am just happy to have more star wars movies coming and I have no doubt I will be happy with them.....they gotta be better than the PT!

 

I was there is '77 (I was 10), and at first I was taken aback by E-1. Hearing Obi-Wan's name, and seeing lightsabers on the big screen and thinking 'holy ****, that's Luke and Liea's mother when we first saw Padme in her red dress was fan girl super joy, but the rest? Errrr.. No.... It was during Clones where I learned to 'let go' and enjoy the ride (and where I had my holy.****, Luke's dad is HOT!! when we first saw the adult Anakin in the lift...) Of course I have expectations and hopes for the ST, but I'll just have to wait and see like the rest of us...

 

I just don't think there will be ST haters unless the movies end up being as bad as the PT. The expectations going into this are so low as a result of the PT that it is almost guaranteed that the worst anyone will say is, "at least it's not as bad as the PT." Unlike GL, I think JJ is capable of taking the lessons of the PT to heart. He almost can't lose.

 

Bravo sir. Bravo.


And don't tell me, you didn't decide what the story would be before you saw it?

EDIT: And reading on we have this:

Bravo once more sir

 

I was a big spoiler guy back in the TPM days.I would do anything to get tidbits of the story and find out what it was about. Going into the theater on opening night I "knew" what to expect. However a lot of my un-spoiled friends left disappointed (for the exact reasons I listed).

Even though I'm not a fan of Abrams or Disney, I'm going to take the same approach as I did with the PT, and go in just expecting MORE content (if my retinas can handle all the lens flares!). As I said before, if Abrams follows the basics of a Star Wars film, it can't really be bad.

I do however seeing even more segregation with the fans. There are the "whole saga" loving folks, and then the PT haters. Now with the ST, there will be even more combinations of fans: All 9 film saga lovers. PT & OT saga lovers, but hate the ST. People that only like the OT and the ST. And possibly the ST only fans.

 

There's no avoiding it. Plenty of people will hate the new movies. I think the prequels will get more respect though since the hate will be re-focused on the even-newer Star Wars trilogy. =P

I see what you're saying though. I already have some ideas I really wanna see in the ST, and will probably be let down when they're not included the way I want them to be. I'll like them just fine though--I just sit back and enjoy these kind of things.

 

You are right in one way. Being upset about the prequels was about my expectations. My expectation was that the movies would have characters that I could identify with that reacted to situations realistically, that the dialogue wouldn't make me laugh outloud at how obnoxious it was, that the narrative wouldn't get stuck in the mud over and over.

The prequels were worthwhile for me in a lot of ways, but the fact that they disappointed me wasn't my fault. That...is a new one. You are trying WAY to hard, dude.

 

As long as I have fun I will love this movie. If it has lightsabers, starfighters, Skywalkers, Solos, Rebels, Empire, aliens, Jedi, Other Force users, etc, I will be content.

 

Avoid the mistakes of The Phantom Menace. Have content that works for both kids and adults, not some content that works for kids, and others that work for adults. That causes each party to have something major in the film to dislike (in this case, kid-aspects would be Jar Jar - adult aspects are politics in the Senate).

 

Not everyone who disliked the PT was let down by their expectations. There are valid critiques of the PT. However, there also valid critiques of the OT. Phatdude1138 was pointing out that there is a significant subset of fans who glorify the OT ad infinitum and has such absurdly high expectations of the PT that when the film came out, they were let down. You are not one of them. The ones who claim GL raped their childhood are.

 

Disney is the perfect match for making things work for kids and adults, they know how to do this better than anyone.

 

I think you've just got to go along for the ride, there will be bits you like and maybe others you don't but I suppose for most of us on here, Star Wars is more than a movie franchise and more of an interest, or even a hobby, that wasn't the case in '77, more movies represent a continuation of our hobby and in my opinion that's a very fine thing indeed. If you go into this movie expecting to hate it, you probably will