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Why was Anakin's dream different from Padme's death?

Discussion in 'Revenge of the Sith' started by JediFett56, Aug 4, 2005.

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  1. JediFett56

    JediFett56 Jedi Youngling

    Aug 4, 2005
    Has anyone else noticed that Anakin's dreams about Padme's death are completely different from her actual death? In the dreams, Padme is screaming in pain and shouting to Obi-Wan. Her actual death, however, was relatively peaceful in her sleep.

    I think that this proves two things:

    1) the dreams were definitely planted by palpatine. they were not force visions, but some form of mind control on palps behalf.

    2) I think it ultimately does prove that anakin killed padme by choking her and "breaking her heart" because she was not going to die otherwise.

  2. Darth_Sideous

    Darth_Sideous Jedi Padawan star 4

    Jun 24, 2004
    The future is always in motion. Dreams and visions are not accurate, and don't always happen.
  3. thechozn1

    thechozn1 Jedi Master star 4

    May 15, 2005

    Yeah, I thought everyone here had actually watched the movie until now. It was EXACTLY the same down to the "Don't give up, Padme"
  4. DUGGY

    DUGGY Jedi Youngling star 4

    Apr 23, 2005
    Yeah, I thought everyone here had actually watched the movie until now. It was EXACTLY the same down to the "Don't give up, Padme"

    I dunno dude, what about the vision Anakin had while playing with the gameboy thing?." Padme screams "Anakin save me" that was not in the actual death scene at all. hmmm?
  5. thechozn1

    thechozn1 Jedi Master star 4

    May 15, 2005
    I know about that part but I think she was just half dillusional and she may have said it off camera during the birthing

    Side note: Did you notice her eyebrows looked like they were dyed blue during the dream? Weird
  6. jedi_master_ousley

    jedi_master_ousley Manager Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Jun 14, 2002
    I think that Anakin sealed her fate by trying to prevent her death. By beliving the dream and trying to save her, he put each part of it into motion. He broke her heart, which caused her to die during/right after child birth. Had he accepted death as a possibility she may not have died at all.
  7. DUGGY

    DUGGY Jedi Youngling star 4

    Apr 23, 2005
    I know about that part but I think she was just half dillusional and she may have said it off camera during the birthing

    Side note: Did you notice her eyebrows looked like they were dyed blue during the dream? Weird

    i hear ya, that was the only line that stood out to me, Anakin probably saw the vision that way because he assumes he is going to save Padme, not try to kill her. did'nt notice the brows though.
  8. halfwits-r-us

    halfwits-r-us Jedi Youngling star 4

    Mar 27, 2005
    Like Yoda said Difficult to tell the future is...
  9. darkscout36

    darkscout36 Jedi Youngling star 1

    Apr 28, 2005
    yea his premonitions did come true, but i doubt palpatine planted it. i think it was all part of the prophecy whatever. But as I know, if you try to cheat death, you only invigorate it. Meaning if you try to "beat" death's design, it will only think of another way for padme to die.
  10. JediCouncilMaster

    JediCouncilMaster Jedi Youngling star 6

    Jun 23, 2005
    I agree with the line in bold from above by darkscout36. But i can't decide if the dreams were planted by Palpatine or it was just natural. There is another Jedi that also suffers from his dreams Whie Malreaux.

    From a very young age, it was clear that the graceful, controlled Whie was exceptionally strong with the Force, second only to Anakin Skywalker. One of Whie's gifts was the ability to see the future in his dreams and meditations. At first, this frightened him, but he learned to live with it by taking to heart that the future was always in motion; nothing was set.

    Whie Malreaux resembles Anakin Skywalker from Attack of the Clones.

    His homeworld, Vjun, was a barren world where poison rain fell from the sky. Whie's family was one of the wealthiest on the planet, and lived in a castle: the Château Malreux. The better families on Vjun traditionally had very high midi-chlorian counts, which was a mark of status among them. After a trade route was set up with the Galactic Republic, the Jedi became involved, wanting to take away the Force-sensitive babies for Jedi training.

    Whie's father, the Count, was extremely interested in the midi-chlorian phenomenon, and tried to genetically enhance natural midi-chlorians in Vjun's population. The experiment was only a partial success; the people went mad and started killing each other. Whie's mother, half drunk and crazy, gave him away to a passing Jedi.

    All of this was unbeknownst to Whie, but the Clone Wars changed that. Count Dooku had taken over Château Malreux and made it into his hiding place, where he set up a trap for the Order's most powerful Jedi Master, Yoda. The Jedi Master selected a small group of Jedi to come along with him to Vjun. Whie was among them, as was his Master Maks Leem, a fellow Padawan nicknamed "Scout", and her master Jai Maruk.

    While Yoda confronted Count Dooku, Scout and Whie ran into Asajj Ventress. Always a sly talker, she tried to persuade him to join the Dark Side that was already pulling him. Holding the life of Scout in her hand, she forced him to choose. Whie was in doubt, but Scout managed to say that he would make the right choice. And he did.

    Yoda was able to escape from Dooku's trap, and Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi came to the rescue. Ventress stole a shuttle and escaped.

    The Jedi returned to Coruscant together, but Whie couldn't tell if he would ever feel at home again in the Jedi Temple. Yoda told him that he would always be home if he could feel the Force around him.

    Episode III Spoiler warning: Plot or ending details follow.
    Whie was one of the Padawans in the Jedi Temple during the execution of Order 66. He was sparring with Bene when Anakin Skywalker entered the training hall of the Temple. Whie did not survive his encounter with the newly-named Darth Vader

    Whie is one of my favorite Jedi characters but I wish he played an important role in the movie.

    And yeah Anakin's dreams are different than the real Padme's death. I noticed that Obi Wan doesn't say "Don't give up Padme." But when he was holding that PSP device i always thought he was napping while he was sitting then he woke up from it.
  11. Shopgrl2004

    Shopgrl2004 Jedi Youngling

    Aug 4, 2005
    My thoughts on this matter was the fact that he was seeing the dream of her being hurt-like when he was hurting her. I can't remember-so don't quote me if I am wrong- but wasn't she yelling to Obe Wan while Anakin was hurting her?
  12. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Jun 28, 2001
    Actually, Padme wasn't dead yet in those visions. They cut off before we saw the end. But Anakin concluded based on both of them, that she dies and so does their child.
  13. JF_052

    JF_052 Jedi Youngling star 1

    Jul 28, 2005
    If Anakin had so much faith in his premonitions, he should've figured out a way for it to be true without Padme actually dying. But then there'd be no Darth Vader, and no movie.
  14. NoCloneTheories

    NoCloneTheories Jedi Knight star 5

    Mar 22, 2003
    That's exactly the point. There's nothing to fear but fear itself. Anakin fulfilled his own prophecy.
  15. sithjoe

    sithjoe Jedi Youngling star 2

    Sep 13, 2002
    I thought that the dreams were pretty close to be honest!
    Also, if you look at it from a timeline perspective, then you notice that when Anakin/Vader fights Obi-Wan, it's almost birth time. Anakin knows from his dreams that Obi-Wan is present at the birth, so he must figure that if he can kill Kenobi, then he can kill the dream, then he can save Padme?

    But the real question is, how can one so powerful in the force, one who can see into the future, not sense what droids found out in seconds....Padme was carrying twins!! ;)
  16. Palpy560

    Palpy560 Jedi Padawan star 4

    Feb 11, 2005
    It matters not.
    Anakin got the point of the dream.
    She was going to die.
    I don't think Palpatine planted them, but he sure could read Anakin's thoughts about it.
  17. Durwood

    Durwood Jedi Master star 5

    May 18, 2002
    If Anakin's visions were accurate then it is apparent that his subsequent actions altered the future.
  18. andkiich

    andkiich Jedi Youngling star 1

    Jul 19, 2005

    He's not omnipotent, not a god. The force can guide and somewhat be controlled, but does not make you all powerful.
  19. Jedi-Queen

    Jedi-Queen Jedi Padawan star 4

    Feb 16, 2005
    Here's a silly answer to an equally silly question..
    because he ate ice-cream before he went to bed.
    There, problem solved ;)
  20. GrievousKiller

    GrievousKiller Jedi Youngling star 3

    Jun 20, 2005
    Maybe itss one of the darkside's unnatural abilities.
    "the darkside is a pathway to many abilities come considered to be unnatural"
  21. Across-The-Stars

    Across-The-Stars Jedi Youngling

    Aug 28, 2005
    u are so wrong.... padme died because she had lost the will to live. it said so in the movie. why would she want to live without ani? there was no point in life without anakin she didn't even hold on for the sake of her children. that IS true love.
  22. Lord_NoONE

    Lord_NoONE Jedi Master star 5

    Dec 17, 2001
    The point of the dream remained the same. The Force was just sending an impression, rough image, feeling, and premonition to Anakin. It wasn't a clear cut or highly defined vision of the future.

    Always in motion the future. That's your answer right there.
  23. Darth-Trepidor

    Darth-Trepidor Jedi Youngling star 3

    May 10, 2005
    It looked the same to ME!
  24. PadmeLover1991

    PadmeLover1991 Jedi Youngling star 1

    Mar 22, 2005
    i no this is a bit off the point, but did anyone notice the difference in obi wan's outfit between anakin's dream and when padme actually dies. 'Coz in the dream he's wearing his brown cloak and when padme actually dies he's not wearing it coz u can see his jedi tunic is all black and charred.
  25. UltimateObi-Wan_987

    UltimateObi-Wan_987 Jedi Padawan star 4

    Jun 15, 2005
    I think these could have been genuine visions Anakin had in his dreams, but to quote Yoda in Ep. V ´´Alwyas in motion is the future.`` Anyone who has tried to plan something at a later date knows that changes are likely to ensue. True, the specifics of Padmé's death were not what Anakin predicted; he just knew that she was going to die.

    You also might be able to blame this misinterpretation on Anakin's fall to the Dark Side, but I think that's going a bit too far.

    Edit: referring to PadmeLover1991's question - again, the same reason: Anakin just had the idea that Obi-Wan would be there when Padmé died. He didn't know what Obi-Wan would be wearing; his mind supplied the cloak and tunic because that's what Obi-Wan is normally wearing.
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