Why was Anakin's dream different from Padme's death?

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  1. SithOWNtheJedi Jedi Master

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    Palpatine did not influence Anakin's dreams, the darkside might have or it could've been just a bad dream, we all have bad dreams. Palpatine had nothing to do with it
  2. Raja_Io Force Ghost

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    Hm... For me it was obvious that the visions were planted by Palpy. It's just another proof of his genius as a Dark Lord: self-fulfilling prophecy. Knowing Anakin's pride and stubbornity, he knew that he would believe that he's not only foreseen the future (although he must have heard for a thousand times that "Always in motion the future is" and it's impossible), but would try to change it and save Padme ==> thus cause her death. Palpatine just had to use the Force to make these visions nad voila, we have Darth Vader!
    Pure brilliance!

    Then we know why the lines are different from the real scene, and why Obi-wan is wearing another clothes. These were things that didn't really matter. It was only for the premonition of Padme's death.
  3. EwokThatCried Jedi Master

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    Palps does not control Ankain's dreams.

    Note that Anakin has nightmares as soon as he finds out Padme is pregnant and the fear of being discovered by the Council is on his mind.

    It's Anakin's fears and attachments that trigger the dreams.
  4. obi1andreasen79 Jedi Master

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    It was really Mace. He was sending Anakin dreams because hes just so darn evil. I kid..I kid.
    Do you guys think later on that Anakin realized he brought upon her own death by misinterpreting his dreams?
  5. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    "Part of the going into the tree is learning about the Force. Learning about the fact that the Force is within you, and at the same time, you create your own bad vibes. So, if you think badly about things or you act badly, or you bring fear into a situation, you're going to have to defend yourself or you're going to have to suffer the consequences for that. In this particular case, he takes his sword in with him which means he's going to have combat. If he didn't, he wouldn't. He's creating this situation in his mind because, on a larger level, what caused Darth Vader to become Darth Vader is the same thing that makes Luke bring that sword in with him. And so, just as later on we find out Darth Vader is actually his father - so he is part of himself - but he has the capacity to become Darth Vader simply by using hate and fear and using weapons as oppose to using compassion and caring and kindness. But that's the big danger of the series, is that he will become Darth Vader."

    --George Lucas, TESB DVD Commentary.


    Anakin did a bad act by killing Dooku in cold blood. He also had a lot of fear buried deep down, because he's afraid to lose this perfect life that he has. He's afraid to lose Padme. He's afraid to lose their unborn child. He's afraid to lose his place as a Jedi. Much fear did Dooku sense in him. So when he went to sleep that first night, he was confronted with a vision of the future based on his fears. His second vision is based on his fear and his anger, which now includes Obi-wan. Someone whom Anakin has some anger issues with. In the end, Anakin's vision comes true based off his fears and his darker emotions.

    Luke has a lot of fear buried deep down, which start to come to the surface. The fear that he cannot defeat the monster that killed his father and Obi-wan. That fear leads to anger and hate, when he sees Vader step out of the shadows and advances on him. Luke's reaction is to attack and slay the monster. A reaction filled with anger and hate. The end result is that he sees that he will become the very thing he's sworn to destroy.
  6. darth_frared Jedi Grand Master

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    probably a once in a lifetime thing. but i will have to agree with you.
  7. Master_Shaitan Jedi Grand Master

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    I will agree with Darth frareds agreement with Ewok so I dont have to directly agree wit him! lol :p

    Love you really [:D]
  8. Darth_SomethingWitty Jedi Youngling

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    My thought was always that it had to do with one's ability to not only SEE the future, but UNDERSTAND it... I think the fact is that while there are things in the future (Destiny) that are defined, it is the "getting there" that also matters. I think Palpatine understood this and used to serve his ends while the Jedi just accepted it passively. For example, Annakin saw Padme's death, but didn't see the specific when or how; she could have been killed the next day by a blaster, the next week by poison, the next month from Avian Flu, the next year falling off a cliff, or in 70 years from old age. Palpatine then used this uncertainty about the details to twist things to serve his desires. Palpatine both saw the future and understood that while it was destined to happen, he had the ability to influence the route there; this was his greatest power.

    To take this a step further, the prophecy regarding the Chosen One said that he would come and restore balance, even destroy the Sith, but didn't say when or how... So, knowing this, Palpatine knew he would die at Annakin's hand, but could mold the when and how to his needs; he pulled Annakin to him (keep your friends close and your enemies closer), twisted him to serve the Dark Side, and died much later possibly and with much more impact than if Annakin had been left to his own, or the Jedi's own designs... To some folks' thought about Annakin's birth, Palpatine may even have created Annakin knowing that while Annakin would kill him, he had some power over pushing out the when and how, plus Annakin would also give him enormous power in the tradeoff and it was worth the risk to him.
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