Lit Why were NJO wiped out? How should NSLJO devlop?

Maybe the Jedi are just trapped in the same cycle Bruce Springsteen is in Atlantic City:
"Everything dies, baby, that's a fact.
But maybe everything that dies someday comes back"

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We really don't know much at all about what went down. All we know are a few vague lines from a man that wasn't there. I imagine there will wind up being a whole lot more to the story than what we have right now.

 

Starting a Jedi Order from scratch won't be easy. Some losses are to be expected. But the whole Order? Why would the TPTB allow that?

 

Well think who in Tahiri's Veila's class survived? Valin and Jysella, can't think of anyone else.

 

Well, it makes it sound kind of harsh to label you a failure, but it doesn't really change that you failed to build what you were trying to build. If Luke's goal was to build a new Jedi Order, and there is no new Jedi Order, then Luke failed to achieve his goal. It may not be his fault (though, you know, it is his fault that he doesn't appear to have trained anybody since then), but he's still failed at his life's mission.

 

<Yoda> when gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be, pass down what you have learned </yoda>

sigh

In the EU it took a whole fleet of yuuzhan vong to destroy most of the Jedi, now all it took was half a dozen knights of ren....

 

Even the Vong only managed a 50% hit rate over 5 years on the Jedi.

 

I'm hoping that they didn't just wipe out the Jedi (again) so as to recycle the OT story, just substituting Rey and Luke for the Luke and Yoda roles. I really hope its not just for that, but I'm kind of expecting it, unfortunately.

Hopefully we'll get more details about how and why it happened. I'm leaning towards the "Luke was on a trip and Kylo went crazy" backstory, as the most simple version, even if it is kind of stupid. At least when the old Jedi Order fell, it took a galactic war, basically the ultimate Sith Lord and hundreds of clones to bring down the Jedi. Well, Luke hadn't gotten that far yet, but I hope his students put up a fight at least.

 

I don't want a future Jedi order reaching Old Order size, but I'm hoping Disney increases the Jedi numbers. I would be happy with at least 100 well trained Knights. Unfortuntly their is a chance the Jedi will gain more then 2 members but not increase that much. Like a Jedi of the Round Table. With the powers that be keeping to that amount. If that is what to come, then it furthers my want in a nu ToR era. That way we could see the Jedi with large numbers while winning wars. A generation that doesn't deal with close to extinction. But not only should we see Jedi of the past and far future succeeding against evil, the NSLJO members should later be shown to saving innocents and other good actions before their demise. Would be a mistake to have Luke's students stay away from all galactic affairs.

 

the key word here is before their demise.
what the?
there is no hope. We'll get to episode 9 and rey is victorious. but in episode 10 all of her students will be dead and she with them.

 

An Arthurian-style Jedi Order would be lovely, actually. A select few protectors of peace and justice, going back to the old idea of a Watchman guarding a single planet.

 

This is not even slightly similar to what I said or to what happened to Luke!

The way the story pans out in TFA doesn't make things very similar to ANH at all, though - it seems to have a lot more to do with the trajectory of The Last Jedi, if the trailer is any indication.

 

I wonder what the relationship Lukes students had with lightsabers. I suspect that unlike the Old Order, sabers didn't play as much of an importance, with some students not having any. It would also make it easier for Kylo and co to kill them.

Though if sabers were not some requirement, im sure their were some students who wielded them (whether making their own or acquiring old blades). With Ben solo being one of them.

What if he was the previous user of Anakin's lightsaber. Sometime in his travels Luke reacquired it (would be interesting if Luke came across other old blades in his journeys) and later gave it to Ben.

In skywalker tradition he loses the saber. He did tell Rey that saber belonged to him. Possibly it meant more then him being a vader fanboy.

 

If the NuNJO aren't explored in any major stories, they might be unarmed. However, if they are featured prominently in a story, especially a TV show, I guarantee you they will have lightsabers. Pacifists don't sell.

 

The films are what are guiding the new canon. Luke rebuilding the Jedi Order is a big deal --- of course they want to depict it on screen. Thirty years later was the best time in which to set the sequel trilogy so that familiar faces could return, and the only realistic way they could have Luke begin to rebuild the order from scratch all those years after Jedi was to have him have tried once already, failed, and then gone into hiding. It also gives some badguy cred to Kylo.

There are also the issues already brought up in this thread already abput Luke having a functioning Jedi Order in the sequel trilogy making it too similar to the prequels, which was a direction they most definitely didn't want for Episode VII. It's too early to thematically categorize the sequel trilogy as a whole, but I do like Darth Philosopher's speculation here:

 

The NuJo was wiped out because they were arrogant, complacent and blind.

Arthurian, eh? Looking forward to Luke's knights killing each other pretty much down to the last man, because Luke's best friend and fellow knight had an affair with Luke's wife, and Luke killing and being killed by the son he had with Leia. It'll be awesome and totally Star Wars.

 

They can, for short arcs. But it's called Star Wars for a reason. This is what happens to pacifists in the SW Galaxy.



They lose their planet. They lose their throne. Their entire life's work is undone. And then they lose their life.

 

why would the lightsabers be lying around in the first jedi temple? wouldn't the 501st and the vader clean up the battlefields and collected them? where did the sabers on grievous came from, if not from them?

anyway, building a lightsaber was (unless the NEU changed it) always a vital step of getting your jedi knighthood. If you just picked up a lightsaber you can't call yourself a jedi knight (a sith maybe)

 

If it is one of the first jedi temples the Empire likely wouldn't have even had record of it.

 

Actually, we learn in Catalyst that most of the lightsabers of the ten thousand Jedi Knights that were killed during Order 66 and Operation Knightfall were disassembled by the Empire and their Kyber Crystals were used for superlaser researches that eventually led to the creation of the Death Star. Palpatine and Vader may have kept a few as trophies, but most of the lightsabers of the Old Jedi Order are gone.

 

ten thousand jedi knight?

oh man, why didn't they just assemble a Jedi division and don't use a single clone, and just transport said division one system at a time to defeat the separatists?

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I think the NEU NJO should take a page from the Sith, one apprentice per master, like the fibonnaci numbers. A single Jedi master should only train one student at any given time. In case that jedi apprentice turn to the dark side, the master shouuld redeem/kill that student and so on.

festina lente vir.

 

Because it's a galaxy of untold trillions of people? And that's a laughably conservative estimate, in itself. 10,000 is an infinitesimal number in the grand scheme of things.