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Rogue One Why were the Cantina criminals on Jedha?

Discussion in 'Anthology' started by Bob the X-Winger, Apr 19, 2017.

  1. Bob the X-Winger

    Bob the X-Winger Jedi Knight star 3

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    Well he does await his orders before taking off for the battle. Raddus wanted to bring the entire fleet into the battle not split the Alliance further and to me that suggests he was on standby. I appreciate what you are saying that the droids would not want to join and being scurried into a transport vessel and taken to the Tantive IV.
     
  2. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    That isn't what I was saying at all. I was saying that the droids should be aboard the very first ship in the air but 3PO is shown not understanding why everyone else were going to Scarif while all of the ships are seen blasting off in the background. It is a continuity conundrum.
     
  3. Gigoran Monk

    Gigoran Monk Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The perfect solution would have been to simply have the camera pass them in the Tantive IV hallway...
     
  4. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 10

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    You're saying you have a problem with 3P0 not understanding? I always thought he was a master of not understanding.
     
  5. EHT

    EHT Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Agreed... it's one of the only things I would have changed about RO. This would be a better way to show the droids, and we didn't need to hear C-3PO say anything in this movie.
     
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  6. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The Cantina criminals were in Rogue One for the crime of fan service, punishable for up to one pointless cameo in a movie.
     
  7. Lt. Hija

    Lt. Hija Jedi Master star 4

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    Only a continuity conundrum for those that insist (although the film itself is 'mute' on the subject) that the Corellian Corvette sitting inside the Profundity is Leia's Tantive IV.

    And as a 'bonus' you may look for answers what was Leia doing during the duration of the battle and why her ship didn't jump rightaway to hyperspace (like the others). The real Tantive IV ddn't jump to hyperspace until Leia held the data carrier with the Death Star plans in her hand.

    Pretty reckless, IMHO, the moment "her" corvette detached from the Profundity, the plans were either aboard or not and there was no reason whatsoever to stay in that area any second longer (as the last Alliance ship!) than necessary.
    However, assuming the real Tantive IV kept a healthy distance to the battlezone and waited until they had received the re-transmission of the plans by the other Tantive (VI?) - Captain Antilles specifically refers to transmissions they received, not a data carrier - would explain her otherwise odd behaviour, IMHO.
     
  8. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Oh, I suppose if I went with individuals' fancanon, and not what the filmmakers were actually attempting to accomplish, I can see it that way. Thanks!
     
  9. Ricardo Funes

    Ricardo Funes Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The fact that someone downloaded the transmissions to a data card then moved it to Tantive IV could (maybe?) be considered in the continuity as if the Tantive IV received transmissions, which would be true (from a certain point of view), since Tantive IV was docked inside the Profundity, which was the original receiver of the message.

    Vader said in ANH that several transmissions were sent to that ship, and that they intercepted them and tracked to that ship, which is a bit of stretch I admit. For this to work we need to think that Vader was treating Tantive IV as an extension of the Profundity.

    R2 and C-3PO are easier to place inside the Tantive IV as we are not shown when Raddus leaves. So I guess the official word would be that one minute after we see R2 and C-3PO, they are sent to board the Profundity together with Leia.

    I would love to know the official explanation for these points.

    Same logic could be used to explain how the cantina criminals left Jedha. And it was easier for them as a long time passes since we see them and the city is destroyed (the key is the fact that Cassian & Co were escorted through the desert to Saw's hideout, which was quite a walk and took some time).

    Why were them on Jedha? I guess they wanted to see if they could get their hands on some Kyber crystals and sell them in the black market.
     
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  10. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    By "transmitted", Vader meant "I watched someone physically carry them aboard".

    By "traced", Vader meant "I watched someone physically carry them aboard. Because I was following him and wanted to cut his legs off because he was carrying them aboard".
     
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  11. themoth

    themoth Force Ghost star 5

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    My guess is they stumbled onto the ship somehow by accident, or R2 knew something 3P0 didn't.
     
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  12. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 10

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    My friend, you have an amazing gift for understatement. ^:)^
     
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  13. Lt. Hija

    Lt. Hija Jedi Master star 4

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    I'm not sure if its entirely "fancanon". The onscreen dialogue doesn't indicate that particular Corellian Corvette, disembarking from the Profundity to be the Tantive IV and gratefully the Rogue One Visual Guide is mute on the subject. It's correct that in interviews some of the people involved with the production suggested that it's the same ship, yet the setup of the onscreen events is somewhat ambiguous.

    ROJ seemed to establish that more often than not lifepods aren't replaced immediately (of course, it was the same VFX model as the one in ANH, but still), yet the Corvette disembarking in RO has all its pods while the Tantive IV is already missing 3 of these by the time it's caught by the Devastator.

    TBPH I'm not a friend of "rationalization overdrive". Even in RO Antilles says that it's the transmission "they" received when he hands the data carrier to Leia. And Vader is specific
    Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by Rebel spies.

    The RO filmmakers had the opportunity to let Antilles say something different like "this is the transmission, Admiral Raddus received" but didn't. ;)
     
  14. Big Bad Yoda Daddy

    Big Bad Yoda Daddy Force Ghost star 4

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    And why didn't they CG Dr. Evazan? I mean, might as well go for the trifecta.
     
  15. Ricardo Funes

    Ricardo Funes Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yeah, I guess this weird continuity is my only small gripe.
     
  16. Bob the X-Winger

    Bob the X-Winger Jedi Knight star 3

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    I put the Blockade Runner in the Profundity as it was not designed for combat. The risk of being hit by a stray lazer fire so it stays inside the Mon Calamari ship until Vader's shuttle arrives and it detaches itself from the cargo-hold and goes on its way purpose built for outrunning Star Destroyers. As we know are droid friends were kept ultra safe within the confines of the Tantive IV as the battle was going on all around them. This is what is shown and my understanding of the events. I would say the Tantive IV is an emergency ship to be deployed only at the last moment. Kind of like in the Star Destroyers they have hundreds of TIE-Fighters and Walkers all kept inside that massive ship very much in the Battlestar Galactica tradition. An aircraft Carrier in space.
     
  17. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    Best suggestion I heard was I believe on the Empire podcast and they said that basically Dr. Evazan and Ponda Babba are in the Star Wars galaxy version of "The Hangover", drunkenly bumbling their way across the galaxy. Would make a great spin-off flick.
     
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  18. ezekiel22x

    ezekiel22x Chosen One star 5

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    I don't object to quick callbacks, but these guys kind of stood out as goofy looking to me for some reason. Walrus man in particular looked off. But I haven't watched ANH in a while, so it's possible they'd look off to me in that film as well nowadays.
     
  19. timmoishere

    timmoishere Force Ghost star 6

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    You forget that the Tantive IV had already launched some escape pods by the time C-3PO and R2-D2 made their own escape. The Devastator had been shooting down each one as it flew away per the dialog of the gunner and his commanding officer. That's why the VFX model in ANH is missing some pods.
     
  20. Gigoran Monk

    Gigoran Monk Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Walrus man was out in broad daylight instead of a dark, seedy bar. That's probably why he looked off to you.