Lit Why were the Outlying Systems ignored more?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Matthew78, Jun 16, 2013.

  1. Matthew78 Jedi Grand Master

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    The Galactic Republic was always centered around Coruscant and the Galactic Core and Deep Core Worlds, it also listened to the Colonies, Inner Rim and Expansion Region, while largely ignoring the needs of the Mid Rim, Outer Rim and Wild Space, The Unknown Regions were ignored because most were uncharted and not part of the greater galaxy.

    But it just seems like the Republic in the future would be better off being centered around a planet that was more centrally located between the Core Worlds and Outer Rim Territories, this way the Outer Rim worlds would have equal standing with the Core Worlds and everyone would have a fair voice in the Senate, how does a galaxy wide Republic operate with fairness towards all member worlds? It always seems like the planets in the Core matter most and everyone else is regarded as being peasants and losers, except for the Colonies and Inner Rim, who are basically transplants from the core, who live and work there among the natives.

    Perhaps the Republic needs to have two capitals, one for the central systems and one for the outlying systems, so that both areas have equal voice and importance, it would be nice to see the galaxy a thousand years after the trilogy, see if the Outer Rim is now civilized and fully charted, with a strong voice in the senate, and have Wild Space and The Unknown Regions be part of the Republic or having strong ties with it, having finally been charted or enabled to have communication and trade and travel with the rest of the galaxy, surely the Chiss and other groups might sell their star charts and introduce the Republic to their neighbors, opening up trade and commerce while allowing themselves to remain neutral and not becoming involved.
  2. darklordoftech Chosen One

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    I guess because the Core Worlds founded the Republic. Also keep in mind that Tatooine isn't part of the Republic (as Shmi explained).
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  3. Matthew78 Jedi Grand Master

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    It became a part of the Empire, had their presence on it, mostly to control Jabba and his criminal empire, one of Grand Moff Tarkin's tasks was to bring the Outer Rim into line, so it became a part of the Empire, dont know if it joined the GA later on though, still dont know why the Empire didnt move into Hutt Space or Hapan Space, although they might have been waiting to do so, even Thrawn was ordered to map systems and expand Imperial rule in the Unknown Regions, so the Empire seemed to be expanding its borders, makes sense to be galaxywide police though.
  4. The Loyal Imperial Manager Emeritus

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    It's not so much that the outlying systems were ignored more, than that the center of galactic civilization and most developed population centers were prioritized over lawless, barely-populated backwaters and places barely anyone has ever heard of or been to.
  5. darklordoftech Chosen One

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    Or Sith agents make sure outlying systems are ignored because everything is either Jedi or Sith
  6. Gorefiend Chosen One

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    Not going to work, either it would cause a major schism or even more clear preference of one area over the other.
  7. DarthDragon164 Force Ghost

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    Also keep in mind that Coruscant is pretty close to the center of the galaxy. Moving the capital (or adding a second one) somewhere in, say, the Mid Rim, would be closer to the Outer Rim on that side of the galaxy, but it'd be even farther than Coruscant from the Outer Rim on the other side of the galaxy.
  8. Ghost Chosen One

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    Galactic History explains it well.
    ==> Colonization spread out from the core.
    ==> Beyond the core, most worlds were inhabited by nonhumans. This led to bias against aliens, see the Pius Dea Crusades.
    ==> Sith Empires, and other rogue warlords, often established their empires and ruined several systems along the frontier, and they were never given the resources necessary to fully restore.
    ==> Rich versus Poor dynamic, which made it more vulnerable to organized crime as well.
    ==> Etc. I know there's more that I'm forgetting for the moment.

    No, Tatooine was nominally part of the Republic. Shmi was explaining to Padme how, for all practical purposes, its rule of law just doesn't exist out there in the forgotten worlds. And it showed Padme how her own planet of Naboo could also become a forgotten world if the Trade Federation isn't kicked out soon. It wasn't just Tatooine and potentially Naboo, thousands of star systems were neglected that were supposed to be under the rule of the Republic, that's why Palpatine and Dooku so easily start the Separatist crisis, and later a reason for Palpatine to reorganize the Republic into an Empire, and even later a reason why so many join the Rebel Alliance.
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  9. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    The better question is -- why WEREN'T the outlying systems ignored more? There's nothing of value that ever came from the Rim.
  10. Darth_Arapsis Jedi Knight

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    Etriadu?

    Kyla Katarn?

    You are such an elitist.
  11. darklordoftech Chosen One

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    Compassion. That's why.
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  12. stung4ever Force Ghost

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    According to one of the early NJO books, there are cities in the core with more people than entire sectors of the Outer Rim.
  13. Mechalich Force Ghost

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    Coruscant, the star system, has massive navigational advantages in terms of its positioning. Even if there was nothing around that star but empty space it would be a hugely valuable trade mecha because of the intersection of hyperlanes.

    Hyperspace movement speed in Star Wars is decidedly not governed by d=rt. In fact, it is almost certainly possible to travel from Bonadan to Terminus, one end of the Hydian Way to the other, in less time than it takes to go from say, Korriban to Ziost.

    As a result the Mid and Outer Rims lack territorial consistency, because the fastest way to get from one seemingly nearby Rim system to another is often, hop a hyperlane all the way down to the Core and then another one all the way back out, rather than going straight across.

    Beyond the transport issue, the galactic population is distributed ridiculously unevenly. The Core Worlds, at only a few percent of the galactic area, potentially contain 35-60% of the population (depending on how you plug in some numerical assumptions, I ran the numbers at one point). Thrown in the next few percent of the Colonies, and something like 75-80% of the galactic population probably lives in less than 10% of the total territory. So...if we're going by the principle of one sentient being one vote (not that Star Wars does, most of the time, but it's a thought experiment) any opinion that is held by more than 65% of the Core+Colonies outvotes the entire rest of the galaxy even if everyone else opposes it 100%. (0.65*0.8=0.52, or a 52% majority). In reality it's even worse than that since many of the most populous Outer Rim systems, such as Bonadan, Eraidu and Taris have more cultural commonality with the Core than the rest of the Rim.

    I think this seems odd to many fans because we are largely Americans and the American political system is designed to vastly over-empower rural areas at the expense of populous urban ones.
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  14. Valin__Kenobi Author: Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Praji

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    Exactly. Same reason we Americans didn't move the capital from Washington DC to, say, Kansas City just because we'd reached and settled California.

    (Nothing against Kansas City in particular.)
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  15. MercenaryAce Force Ghost

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    Corrected for accuracy.


    More seriously: There were a lot of them, and many were sparsely populated and lacking in the kind of infrastructure needed to integrate them into the galactic community. Investing in them was more risk and cost for less short term reward, which reduced the amount of political leverage they had in the senate.
  16. Gorefiend Chosen One

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    Also many apparently got settled by people that did so because they wanted to be left alone and remove themselves from the Republic. Which certainly is not going to make the Republic keen on helping them or them on accepting Republic help.
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  17. Adrian the Cool Jedi Master

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    @Mechalich is right about population distribution. Most people live in the Core, despite it's small size compared to Outer Rim. The Core and Colonies are the Republic and Empire base of power.

    The Force or Celestials indeed did favour Humanity by causing it to evolve in or transport it there into that star system on planet Coruscant.

    To me that never seemed any strange. The more people a planet has, the more it is of value, to the Republic, Sith or Empire while the more developed regions form the base of that states/factions. More population means more money, ressource, servive, workers, military, culture et cetera, which make a planet a higher valuable target needing more protection (spacefleet and ground soldiers). With limited ressources and abilities to rule an entire galaxy of million systems it makes more sense to focus on the more important (means, more populant) ones. A spacefleet should better attack and conquer a five billion people planet than a 30 million one. On the other side, this fact is reason a populous system should be better protected than a backwater moon.