ST Maz Kanata in TLJ

I was just thinking about Maz's age, being 1000 and all. If she is that old, then she was likely very young during the reorganization of the Old republic into the government we see in the prequels. It's also likely that she was around during the final days of the sith empire and their hold of coruacant?

What I'm trying to say is that maybe her role is to provide some clarity to the history of force conflict in the galaxy. Maybe giving luke some more history since she knows of the sith. Something that can help them with cracking Kylo Ren's shell and reaching Ben? Something about about the sith that can relate to what snoke is bringing and his dark side cult (knights of ren).

Idk, maybe far fetched but discussion is good!

 

Totally unnecessary now that Luke is found.

Luke has direct line to Yoda, Qui-Gonn, Obi-wan and Anakin to coach and mentor him on everything about the Force, the Republic, The Sith, The Dark Side, Palpatine, Seeing the Future, etc. Or are you implying that Maz is both Older and Wiser than Yoda?!

What story purpose would it serve to have Maz know more than Luke?

No, it isn't necessary.

 

If that's the case, what's the purpose of Luke traveling around looking for Jedi lore for the better part of three decades if any questions he had could be answered by Yoda?

 

Yoda can share wisdom and knowledge but you still need a body in order to fight and defend yourself and to pass on the knowledge.

Luke is getting old, he needs to teach a new generation to take on the knowledge of the Jedi.

Remember Yoda's words before his passing:

"pass on what you have learned..."

That's why he was recruiting. That is until Ben turned.

 

But that's not what happened. We don't know how long he's been searching for lore until trying to recruit students to rebuild the jedi. Plus, we have no idea about the depth of lore that was even found by Luke or lor san tekka. Every time some ancient knowledge is found, it fails to be preserved. Much of the jedi library was destroyed in the temple raid during order 66. Knowledge of the Old republic is probably totally lost.

I highly doubt, yoda or obi wan knew much about the true beginnings of the jedi. If that was the case, he would've just asked their force ghost. Lor san tekka wouldn't need to be involved then.

All I'm saying is that she's been set up as a wellspring of knowledge. She seems to be in tune with ancient force history and all forms the dark side has taken in recent centuries. Why not use her that way to expand the universe further?

 

But he failed. All of his students are dead, his nephew turned to the dark side and killed the only other significant keeper of lore that we know of. Until we find out otherwise ancient jedi history is totally lost. In talking history past 1000 years since that's the timeframe being marked as important in the ST. We have so little information, but hey there's this 1000 year old pirate strong in the force who's paid attention to history. Its not like she's knows anything....

(just having a little fun here haha).

 

I hope they use Maz as something other than an exposition mouthpiece this time.

If they want to give the audience a history lesson it would be more fun to see that imparted through action within the Jedi ruins. Maz should do something different, like engage in actual piracy with her crew.

 

She's the Yoda of this trilogy in the sense that she represents wisdom, her knowledge will be crucial to the Resistance's cause. However by removing her from the 2nd half of TFA has left a tricky problem, how to re-introduce her.

 

Let me just get my art of star wars book out and I will get back to you

 

They could reintroduce her when one of the characters are engaged in a fight with either FO forces or other pirates in a space battle and Maz saves them. Maybe she will be at the space casino or something, IDK it wouldn't be that hard to reintroduce her IMO.

 

Have her helping Finn revcover (physical training) after he's pulled out of the medically induced coma. Use her to provide a non-jedi view of the force for regular people.

 

Yoda and Maz are about the same age.

Yoda spent 900 years training Jedi, as a Jedi Master.

Yoda had access and time to read plenty of volumes contained in the Jedi Archives, the Republic Library of Coruscant.

Yoda participated and was a standing member of the Jedi council involved in keeping the peace throughout the galaxy. Yoda also was involved with politicians and members of the Galactic Senate probably for hundreds of years.

Yoda spent his time meditating in the force. Listening to the will of the force.

Yeah, I totally agree, Maz is way more qualified to be the source of Force Lore for the ST.

NOT!

 

I think it was said Maz is at least 200 years older than Yoda. Or JJ said she was active before Yoda was born.

But that came from interviews not from content in the film itself.

 

I like that Maz is an old force user that isn't a Jedi and bound to their code. It's good to have an alternate view and mindset to call upon.

 

There is lay knowledge/lore (Maz) and expert/ elite knowledge/lore (Yoda). Both have value.

 

Yoda almost failed. He succeeded just barely by training Luke. Maz is alive and kicking, I would prefer that they keep force ghosts to a bare minimum/non-existent in the ST because we have Luke to teach new Jedi's and we have an old being to teach history. Lucas needed force ghosts in the OT as a cheater plot device. It worked, but we don't have that need here. Luke is alive and is the Obi Wan for Rey.

No need for Yoda to make an appearance and remind us of the previous two trilogies.

 

So Yoda failed after 900 yrs training Jedis and being a Jedi....

 

Almost failed, it fell apart.


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"It was destroyed, by the Empire"

 

I don't get it if Yoda failed even though he led the Jedi for 800+ years and kept peace in the Republic.

Then what do you call Luke's and the rest of the OT characters failure?, A ROYAL FAILURE?, a TOTAL FAILURE?

Some people argue that Luke, Leia, Han are still heroes and successful because they brought about "decades" (according to PH), of peace.

If "decades" of peace is success, then Yoda has been very successful indeed and any knowledge Maz has can't amount to anything next to what Yoda can bring. It would make no sense that an untrained pirate/bar tender would have more Jedi or Force knowledge or lore than Yoda. It would be silly and dumb.

Might as well bring Jar-jar back and make him the hero of the ST.

 

That's a lot of words... that still don't disprove the point I made.


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I wasn't trying to disprove your point. I actually would agree that Yoda had many failures.

What I'm trying to say is that having Maz be the provider of some ancient wisdom and lore to Luke and/or Rey instead of Yoda (that Luke can talk to and see) seems like a really poor choice.

And also that if Yoda failed or "almost failed" then you would agree that Luke, Leia and Han failure is orders of magnitude larger than Yoda's which doesn't seem to be a very popular opinion on the boards.

 

It's a poor choice to avoid getting advice from a ghost? Nope. Let's dust off less old characters and let Maz develop as a character. That's more interesting than marching out a Yoda or Anakin ghost.


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i hate maz. she should have gone down with her castle. :^(

 

If it was a ship instead of a castle, she might have.

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