Full Series Will Rex die in Season 4?

Ooooh... ;P

Nice catch...

 

Symbolism? In TCW?

My dear, I'm afraid you might be overestimating the competence of their writers.

 

The writers are all pretty accomplished in their own right. However, you could point to the environment in which they work, the structure of Lucasfilm's TCW writing team or else the use of good writers who just don't understand the setting and the characters for why some of the scripts are less than superb.

I personally like the fresh perspective some of them have provided (except on the S3 Mando episodes... and Pursuit Of Peace...) and I don't think symbolism is beyond their capabilities.

However, I'd be quite irate if they threw all that potential away and pulled a Traviss...

 

I see, so you're deciding to defend Christian "shares his name with a gay porn star" Taylor.

 

However, I'd be quite irate if they threw all that potential away and pulled a Traviss...[/quote]

You know, I have a couple of those books that were given to me as Birthday gifts or whatever and I've never read them. I'm almost tempted to read them just to see if they are really that bad...

I'm confused, was that a yes or no? x.x;

 

I think by the beggining of the S4 5's will have kinda gotten over it, but might still have flash backs or something. And no, I don't think the helmet means anything. They're not that smart.

 

It's hilarious that this is his catchphrase and basically the extent of his personality.

 

There's reading between the lines and there's jousting at windmills between the lines.

No. I think the latter two Mortis episodes written by him were underwhelming and badly squandered the potential introduced by the otherwise passable first. Happy now?

However, I do give him, Lucas and Filoni props for at least trying. I'd like to see more of that ambition. I prefer that to humble acceptance of mediocrity.

An "unsure". Honestly, I think it was just a minor way for the director to provide a juxtaposition between Rex facing forward and the helmet facing backwards. Perhaps it was symbolic, but only for that episode and relevant only to that episode unless it's revisited at some point later.

I'm thinking of how this could be revisited. Rex leaves Republic service and becomes a farmer? I was just expressing my discontent at the idea of all clone protagonists deserting and all of them becoming farmers. That's one of the things I dislike about the last Republic Commando novel.

 

I actually don't like the idea of Rex deserting the army at all. I don't know what TCW will do with him, my personal idea for him is awfully extreme, heh.

The helmet facing backward doesn't have to involve Rex himself coming back either. Also his helmet's unique appearance can either be viewed as benevolent or menacing perhaps forshadowing the fate of that family and of Cut. Yeah I'm digging now. I actually would like for 'The Deserter' itself to never be visited again but would like to see an episode or two that is directly connected. Rex said some cool things in that episode that deserve some expansion.

 

My problem is with the squeamishness some writers have when dealing with clone protagonists and their inevitable fate.

"Hey, I like this character... so he has to NOT execute Order 66 (be the 143rd exception out of the Noble 3 Million). He has to adopt baby kittens and make every Jedi heroine fall into his arms with just a single murmur. He has to found the Rebel Alliance for the 45th time and be an awesome Mandalorian bounty hunter farmer family man."

I too want to see Rex remain loyal to the Republic/Empire to the bitter end. Personally, I'm rooting for him to become one of those sinister Terror Troopers from TFU 2. That seems like a fate worse than death.

 

Heh, my idea actually involved him staying loyal to the Republic and Anakin above all else until Operation Knightfall, an epiphany, and suicide...

 

I see, so he dutifully executes Order 66 (on Ahsoka maybe?) and thus destroys his sanity, resulting in his eventual decision to claim his own life...

I don't think TCW would go there.

Edit: I think I missed your meaning. Sorry, I'm incapable of linking the notion of a clone not executing Order 66 and the word "good". My point about suicide stands.

 

Here, here!

 

Whoops sorry about that. I'm at work and editing posts between calls is a dumb idea. x.x; Lol, think I know what it would be like to deal with Ahsoka on technical support now.

Actually, I don't think Ahsoka means much to Rex. I find his friendship with Anakin more interesting and like the idea of his programming in fact being broken with his loyaly and faith in Anakin keeping him in the War and saying his loyalty is to the republic. I actually like the idea he is loyal to Anakin above all else. Think of the kinds of things he might of heard Anakin say.

I had the idea of him choking on his own words which ironically could even be something repeated from Anakin. -- 'I am part of the most pivotal moment in the history of the republic. If we fail our children and our children's children will be forced to live under an evil I cannot possible imagine.' -- Seeing the republic crumpled, an evil shroud fall, and his part of it. Seeing what his brother have become. Seeing Vader... Thus his last scene ever is with his pistol to his head. Rex falls on his own sword so to speak.

 

I can't buy a clone committing suicide, unless Palpatine ordered it.

The clones are Terminators, and Terminators cannot self-terminate.

 

Wasn't Terminator purely mechanical?

 

I liked the first 2 in the series.. then it kinda got ehhh...

 

Not technically, they're cyborgs, living flesh over metal skeleton, but their "brain" is actually just a cpu.

My comparison was not meant to be 100% accurate, but I feel it is an excellent comparison nonetheless.

 

I think in that case the better comparison would be between the Terminators and the battle droids.

 

They're "robots in disguise". The endoskeleton is the only necessary part of a terminator. The humanity they have is simulated, or learned, but they're not innately human like a clone trooper.

I don't think you can compare a clone to a terminator. True, they're both very different from typical humans and some of the tropes used to characterise normal humans may be inappropriate for them. However, clones are simply humans whose obedience to the known authority is as instinctive as their fight-or-flight reflex. They're human. They have hopes, desires and fears. This is all they need to commit suicide. The only thing that would stop a suicidal clone would be a direct command.

@ Seerow

I happen to agree with you about Anakin and Rex having an important relationship.

I'm interested in why you think Rex's genuine conviction in the righteousness of the Republic's cause is dissonant with the Empire. Anakin is also convinced about the Republic's righteousness and he brags about building his new empire on Mustafar. Politically, Rex might be aghast at the prospect of the ultra-capitalist dystopia that would result from a CIS victory, but he might be fine with Imperial totalitarianism, just like Anakin is (initially, before the cyborg suit).

For all we know, Cut might be right. It could simply be what he's been indoctrinated with and he repeats it instinctively when asked. He may see it as his genuine belief, but as a clone he can't separate his indoctrination from his genuine beliefs. However, I'm erring on the side of it actually being what Rex believes.

 

Clone, battle droid....pretty much the same thing.

I don't think clone troopers are innately human, I think the opposite, they are innately inhuman.

 

Wasn't it one of Lama Su's selling points that clones were creative? Why else would the Republic spend more money on clones?

 

It'd be one thing if the Kaminoans made up their DNA from scratch like an actual computer program, but that's not the case, unlike the battle droids, for whom that's literally the case. From what they say in Ep. II, they don't seem to have significantly altered the DNA other than to make them more "docile," which means although you could make the metaphysical argument that they're not quite as human as Jango Fett, they still have more humanity to them than machines that are purely the result of programming. I think it'd be pretty hard to argue that such automatons would be equally likely to have anomalies in their ranks as those who are alterations founded on something as unpredictable as humanity.

 

Not this again.